Rule 15?

[coryM]

Rule 15

There is PM, Email, AIM and your website where you can set up your own order form and forum to discuss these kind of things but don't use these forums to do your business please.

wtf is the matter with you!?
asking how tall you run your bars NOT advertising. so fuck off!

my first thread ya i could see. second. hell no no reason to lock that shit thats copmplete BS!
same with phils. if you gonna lock his then lock petes thread showin off his scoot he made. cause right now phils simple scooters isnt making any profiut or advertising for a profit. hes simply showing what hes doing. same as petes thread with his scooters.

 

[scooterphil]

Im rite behind you man..I didnt know what happend?

 

[Pete Pachota]

I think that asking 'what are the dimensions of the bars for you' is practically recieving offers and making deals so no wonder why is it not apreciated here. You might put up a little forum on your radscootco page, or create an email/pm submission form or whatever. Or just buy out the right to advertise your stuff here, keep in mind that Rad is considered as a profitable company by people including Andrew and/or the mods.
On the other hand closing Phils thread was kind of riddiculous, from what I know he doesnt sell parts yet and all he has now are some stems that are useless by either anyone who uses rad bars or me, haha.

 

[coryM]

i was going to make a forum but then how would you all find out about it when theres no advertising?
and my thread asking how tall everyone wants there bars is not advertising. its not like i am making a sale orver this forum. i am just getting people to tell me how tall they like their bars. after than it is all done through PMs and email which is ok according to that qoute in my first post.

 

[Steven_T]

Andrew, im expecting you to come on here and Explain to them why you locked there threads...cause it seems to me they want an Explanation...Because i personally saw nothing wrong with Corys thread asking how tall people are riding there bars.

 

[the_SD_local]

Andrew, im expecting you to come on here and Explain to them why you locked there threads...cause it seems to me they want an Explanation...Because i personally saw nothing wrong with Corys thread asking how tall people are riding there bars.

coryM]
i was going to make a forum but then how would you all find out about it when theres no advertising?
and my thread asking how tall everyone wants there bars is not advertising. its not like i am making a sale orver this forum. i am just getting people to tell me how tall they like their bars. after than it is all done through PMs and email which is ok according to that qoute in my first post.

Yes, you are.

If you want to know how tall people ride their bars then you can view the previous polls on the home page where 136 voted on how tall they ride their bars, you don't need to make another thread about it... unless, of course you were using it to take orders.

I don't mind if you guys advertise on here just as long as you help chip in on the site you plan on doing your business on. I'd even be willing to set up sections for each company in the classifieds to talk about whatever the hell you want as long as you guys help out with the site.

As for Simple Scooters, as soon as you announce that you will be selling products and starting a team that stops being a personal project like Pete's and becomes advertising. Period.

 

[Madis]

Yea, Pete rocks with his personal projects
(Sorry to be a little out of topic)

 

[Steven_T]

K hope that cleared everything up.

 

[coryM]

coryM]
i was going to make a forum but then how would you all find out about it when theres no advertising?
and my thread asking how tall everyone wants there bars is not advertising. its not like i am making a sale orver this forum. i am just getting people to tell me how tall they like their bars. after than it is all done through PMs and email which is ok according to that qoute in my first post.

Yes, you are.

no, i am not.
making a sale over the forum would be more like me asking for everyones address, their order and also taking some sort of payment. whose to say that the people who give me their bar hights are to actually buy them?

how about i sell the bars for cost? then i wouldnt be selling for profit eh? how about that.
and the one in sell your stuff forum, whats up with that. is it not for selling your stuff? would it be any different to sell somthing i didnt make on my own? id still be selling somthing for a profi(yet still not breaking rule 15 since theres no advertising). i dont see a difference in selling an old pair of razor bars vs. radbars.

now if i setup a big ol order list or somthing where people could just buy a limitless amount of items on that sell you stuff thread i see a problem. but whats the difference if i were to sell a few pair of razor bars on there compaired to selling a few pairs of any other type of handlebars or parts?

 

[Brian Boston]

The difference is your advertising your company rad and making money from doing it on this site. Thats like using somone elses corner to make a drug deal. Let Andrew get a little bit of money from your profit to help the site out where you are making your money. I dont see that as a bad deal at all.

 

[the_SD_local]

coryM]

coryM]
i was going to make a forum but then how would you all find out about it when theres no advertising?
and my thread asking how tall everyone wants there bars is not advertising. its not like i am making a sale orver this forum. i am just getting people to tell me how tall they like their bars. after than it is all done through PMs and email which is ok according to that qoute in my first post.

Yes, you are.

no, i am not.
making a sale over the forum would be more like me asking for everyones address, their order and also taking some sort of payment. whose to say that the people who give me their bar hights are to actually buy them?

how about i sell the bars for cost? then i wouldnt be selling for profit eh? how about that.
and the one in sell your stuff forum, whats up with that. is it not for selling your stuff? would it be any different to sell somthing i didnt make on my own? id still be selling somthing for a profit. i dont see a difference in selling an old pair of razor bars vs. radbars.

now if i setup a big ol order list or somthing where people could just buy a limitless amount of items on that sell you stuff thread i see a problem. but whats the difference if i were to sell a few pair of razor bars on there compaired to selling a few pairs of any other type of handlebars or parts?

The only way you are making sales is by advertising your product and the only way you are adveretising your product effectively is through my forum so yes, you are making sales through this forum. You are just trying to talk your way around the rules. I'm not stupid.

Advertising does not mean making sales it means PROMOTING a product in the attempt to make sales so you don't have to actually sell anything in order to be advertising ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/advertising ) and I don't see how you don't see the difference between selling spare/used parts from one indivuidual to another where the seller probably won't even come close to breaking even as opposed to selling a brand new production model under a brand name for profit. The "Sell Your Stuff" section is for individuals not companies or I would have called it "Post Here To Advertise All Your New Products You Have For Sale And Take Orders". Which I didn't.

If you sold them at cost you would just be wasting your time and money and besides I wouldn't allow it because the only reason you would do it is to spite the RULES that you are doing everything in your power to find a loop hole around. Do it the right way or don't do it all. It doesn't matter to me because I didn't spend the last 3 and a half years building up this site to have people come in and profit off of it without even offering to help out.

Sorry I am being sooo unreasonable.

 

[AX3D]

The difference is your advertising your company rad and making money from doing it on this site. Thats like using somone elses corner to make a drug deal. Let Andrew get a little bit of money from your profit to help the site out where you are making your money. I dont see that as a bad deal at all.

Normally Id try and stay out of something like this but, Andrew is right in some ways. But in others its pretty unfiar (Like someone said about letting scootering die but I guess thats wrong too as SR is doing alot for scooters and giveing them a % of the income would be helping it).

I think that the best thing here is just to give Andrew here a small persentage of your income? I guess its pretty hard to know what to do but right now that seems like the best option. :? Ima' gonna shut up now

 

[Stanio]

rad bars dont need ads they beat any other thing on the planet so cory would obviously not want to advertise cuz hes not making a profit on the bars themselfs and shit and hes not encouriging ppl to buy them cuz he didnt wanna make bars for others anyway loool

 

[coryM]

The only way you are making sales is by advertising your product and the only way you are adveretising your product effectively is through my forum so yes, you are making sales through this forum

explain how making a thread asking how tall you ride your bars is advertising in the first place?
by the way, most my "sales" are local. as there is a huge scooter scene up here. But i thought it would be nice to let evryone else out of the area have a chance to get a hold of some.

Advertising does not mean making sales it means PROMOTING a product in the attempt to make sales so you don't have to actually sell anything in order to be advertising

where, (besides my first thread) did i do any advertising/promoting?

I don't see how you don't see the difference between selling spare/used parts from one indivuidual to another where the seller probably won't even come close to breaking even as opposed to selling a brand new production model under a brand name for profit.

you locked my thread in that forum without even knowing if the bars were new or used. the only thing that i wrote in there was. "i have 15 pairs of radbars for sale. just let me know how tall you want." what if it was "i have 15 pairs of razor bars for sale. all different colors let me know what color." would you have locked it? i think not.
Anyways, after i said "i have 15 pairs of radbars for sale. just let me know how tall you want." it would have been done through e-mail, PM, or AIM just as you asked. there was no advertising, no promoting, no nothing.

If you sold them at cost you would just be wasting your time and money and besides I wouldn't allow it because the only reason you would do it is to spite the RULES[/b]

and no selling at cost would NOT be a waste of time or money. it would cost me no money, and would provide anyone who wanted some parts with parts. and i would do it so that everyone could get the parts they want, NOT to "spite the rules". i am not a company trying to make money i am an individual who wants to eventually make scooters that dont break.

brand new production model under a brand name for profit

hahah that made me laugh because it sounds like were talking about real companies and shit. I am an individual person who makes the bars and they are hardly "production".

anyways, even though i was not promoting shit, i will find another way to ask everyone how tall they have their handlebars. because i know you run this forum and can do just about anything on it you want. including locking my threads which were abiding to all rules. Im gonna go burn my SR shirt on the lawn now k? haha
whateva....

 

[javier muro5]

get on aim some time man i got to get some pair im going to start again but yea not sure i was to lazy to read the thread so yea i think this is the right place

 

[Steven_T]

Im Supporting Cory in this one...and at the same time Supporting Andrew...Cory is making key points here, but i also see where Andrew is coming from...and id like to say right now to other people reading this thread, dont try to get involved in this if you dont know what the hell you are talking about, and jes want to throw in something ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is. This is Andrew's website...that HE puts money into. And what hes thinking is that Cory is trying to plug or promote or advertise his Company on this site...in hopes to draw more sales to his Company...but the thing is, Cory does not have a Company, They call themselves RAD...there for, they call there bars RAD Bars....RAD is not there company...Cory is one person, who makes handlebars for other riders...And all hes doing is asking who on here is interested in buying a pair...and what size they ride there bars. Further payments and negotiations..Do Not take place on Scooter Resource...They are in/on AIM, or through Emails....Its hard for me and a lot of others to see the huge problem, or the big picture in all of this...but i think that is mainly because its not OUR site...or OUR money being put into it...its Andrews...so the final say will come down to Andrew...And i think instead of asking them to pitch in some money and help out the site. You should atleast name a figure they would be paying...pending on if the price is right, we might have a compromise and everyone would win. But keep in mind, Cory is not raking in thousands here selling these bars...so an absurd amount would be ridiculous...i jes want things to work out, Because the Majority of Scooterers around the world, Come To This Forum...And the Best Bars You Can Get In The World...Are RAD Bars. to Deprive other riders the chance to even know what these are, do to limited exposure...seems ridiculous...

 

[Tyler Boner]

i still think its dumb to lock the thread...so dumb.no point.hes not actully SELLING anyting.hes simply asking what HEIGHT ppl would like there bars.its more effiecent than having 3621786517265736475613 pm's about it.theres n reason y someone HAS to come into this thread.hes just asking what height ppl want there bars.and like he said if he were selling them he would be asking addresses and shit.and he wants everyone to kno that there are 10x better RAD bars than before and everyone on here deserves to have good bars.hes just helping out the sport even more how i see i.and like i said.no one has a gun to thier head telling them to read this thread.if they care baout tit then they do.if the don' they don't.who cares.period.

and to cory.my current ones are bent and i'd like to put in fr some more.

xx tall.xx wide.thanks.

 

[gazza707]

how can Andrew have a percentage of the profit if Cory isnt making any money out of it??

if he isnt making money out of it i think he should be allowed to sell his bars on the forums because he isnt making them for a profit, he is simply selling them to people so their scooters are more solid... therefor I think he should not have his threads locked.. although this is not my site it is Andrew's I have no say in the matter im simply stating my opinion... Cory and Andrew <3 you guys

 

[coryM]

no gary, i meant that if i were aloud to sell for cost on here i would. i seriously would. i care more about getting them out there than making a profit. although a little profit is nice when you spend about an hour or more on each set of bars. and i know 50$shipped is alot but only about 7 of that is profit. well then there is wire and argon for welding and hole saws and cutting blades to pay for.
but this is andrews site and i respect that, although i think some of his desicions are a bit rediculous, thats his choice. and so i made my own forum on the rad site i made awhile ago. its nothing special but i hope everyone signs up. id post a link but this might get locked for advertising it.
id also like to say i have supported SR in the past. i bought yaks and a shirt just to do so. i also plugged the site into that retarded interview in the local news.

 

[brandon kilbury]

i think thats a good point gay, if cory isnt making any profit off his bars how cna he pitch in to promote it. i dont tink it would be trying ot find a loophole by selling them at cost, just finding a way to get people good bars. Besides, andrew what would it hurt to let cory find a "loophole" so he can sell his bars for no profit. hes not gaining anything from it money-wise and he is obeying the rules. i do agree with andrew that if there IS a profit at all he should get at least a small portion of it to help keep the site up and running.