Evolution of the Scooter

P

Pete Pachota

Member
As I was making my bars, some thoughts came to my mind. These are;

1.The designers of scooters which we ride today had those things in mind:
a) Light and foldable to be easy to carry around.
b) Easy to operate and ride.
c) Deck big just enough to fit one foot on it (no need for bigger one -> point a).
d) Cheap.
e) Ridable for anyone.

2.The features that we, the trick riders want are:
a) Durability, durability, and once more, durability.
b) Customization.
c) Two footed stance.
d) Easy to mod, compatibility with aftermarket parts.
(I believe those are correct)

As you can see, points listed under 1 and 2 have nothing to do with themselves. Conclusion: The perfect freestyle riding scooter of the future will be TOTALLY diffrent than the ones we ride today, and this is the point of this thread. How do you think it will look like?

I see two possibilities:
1.Scooter companies will follow one path to create a perfect scooter, getting closer and closer to an ultimate design.
2.There will be two schools of scooter making, one of them would be like 'classicistic' in sense of improving the current scooter design to make it better while keeping it at the same form. The other one would be making the scooter heavier, more durable and bigger, thus turning into a bike or a knowped. There will also be a variety of models between those two schools.

What's your opinion?
 
eirepro

eirepro

Steel Member
(First Post) Very Interesting. A lot of things are sacrificed by the conglomerate scooter makers in order for the scooter to be cheap.
 
D

Dylan Kasson

Steel Member
I think people will end up riding those scooters wiht the like maybe 14inch rims?? idk theyre close to bmx bikes because as time goes on people will startd oing stuff liek danny way and you will need a steady machine and it will basicly turn into biking wihtout a seat and pedals which isnt that bad of a thing bikings cool they go way bigger than skateboarding
 
C

coryM

Member
idk about 14" wheels but i thik about 6" inflatable wheels would kick ass. never brake and have good grip and also be able to ride dirt and still have small wheels. maybe even 8" wheels would be ok. i think decks will be a little bigger too. like a couple inches londer and about a half inch wider. thatd be sweet.
 
C

coryM

Member
Brian Boston said:
Pete Pachota said:
d) Cheap.
Click to expand...
=no haha. Razors were going for like $120 when they first came out
Click to expand...

he meant cheap for razor to produce im sure. pro models sell for 50$ now but still probably cost the same as the old Bs back then to make.
 
P

Pete Pachota

Member
Please compare the prices of scooters, skateboards and bikes and see which of them are cheap. Also the price was 120$ because of the worldwide 'scooter madness' and big demand = big price.

Cory, I have a 6" inflatable wheel scooter, and its not as good as you think. Its hard to inflate the wheels to be as stiff and fast as regular wheels (i tried riding a halfpipe with no success). Also the frame sucks ass, its like an oversized old a so the dropouts bend all the time. But I'd like to have such sized scooter with both inflatable and regular wheels to change them depending on where Im going to ride, and such scooter is a Micro Speed, so I guess Ill have to get one.

(: Dylan :) said:
as time goes on people will startd oing stuff liek danny way and you will need a steady machine and it will basicly turn into biking wihtout a seat and pedals which isnt that bad of a thing bikings cool they go way bigger than skateboarding
Click to expand...
Bikers can go bigger than skaters and scoter riders because they can pedal instead of pushing. Also riding a megaramp doesnt really seem to be stressful for a scooter, as I have figured out, if you have enough balls to ride down the roll in and enough skill to jump off the kicker, you would be safe even if you land on your head, because the landing is parallel to the flight trajectory. I might be wrong but I still thing that a regular scooter is enough to ride that ramp.
 
the_SD_local

the_SD_local

I own SR.
1. The "ultimate design" already exists but 90% of you wouldn't be able to afford it right now.
2. Don't expect much change... the variety is already out there. Xootr is strictly transportation and Razor is freestyle... you can see the difference already when you compare them.
3. In general bikers go bigger than skaters but no biker has done the mega ramp... and none of them go bigger than snowboards so it is all relative. If you are so concerned with going big then go buy a dirtbike and a freestyle ramp.
 
V

VillageFox

Steel Member
the_SD_local said:
1. The "ultimate design" already exists but 90% of you wouldn't be able to afford it right now.
2. Don't expect much change... the variety is already out there. Xootr is strictly transportation and Razor is freestyle... you can see the difference already when you compare them.
3. In general bikers go bigger than skaters but no biker has done the mega ramp ... and none of them go bigger than snowboards so it is all relative. If you are so concerned with going big then go buy a dirtbike and a freestyle ramp.
Click to expand...
im pretty sure they have. ive seen people backflip and superman seatgrab it.
 
the_SD_local

the_SD_local

I own SR.
If you are talking about Allan Cooke's world record backflip, that was a different ramp. I havn't seen anyone do the new DC mega ramp that Danny set all his records on. Even if someone has it is still only half as big as what snowboarders and FMX guys do so "going big" is still all relative to what sport you are riding.
 
P

Pete Pachota

Member
Nope, Mike Escamila has beaten cookes record on the x games ramp which is the replica of the dc ramp. But vfox, youre talking about dave mirra doing the superman? if yes, it was some weird diffrent ramp.
the_SD_local said:
2. Don't expect much change... the variety is already out there. Xootr is strictly transportation and Razor is freestyle... you can see the difference already when you compare them.
Click to expand...
I'd have to disagree, all the razor models were designed with the features desribed in point 1 of my first post, the pro model has only some little improvements. Cory and the rad crew are already testing prototypes and Im making a heavy ass steel deck. For me, the first thing we need to become a standard is a good integrated deck+neck+headtube system, I cant even think of a good setup like that right now but I believe that It is possible to design one.
 
C

coryM

Member
the_SD_local said:
1. The "ultimate design" already exists but 90% of you wouldn't be able to afford it right now.2. Don't expect much change... the variety is already out there. Xootr is strictly transportation and Razor is freestyle... you can see the difference already when you compare them.
3. In general bikers go bigger than skaters but no biker has done the mega ramp... and none of them go bigger than snowboards so it is all relative. If you are so concerned with going big then go buy a dirtbike and a freestyle ramp.
Click to expand...

for shore man everyone whines about how shitty razors are but then they will whine about how expensive somthing good is. godamm everyone just always has got somthing to whine about :p
 
P

Pete Pachota

Member
the_SD_local said:
1. The "ultimate design" already exists but 90% of you wouldn't be able to afford it right now.
Click to expand...
Well then make it and sell it to 10% people, simple. Make a company like "Resource scooters", haha.
 
C

Cary Mosbrucker

Member
Pete Pachota said:
2.The features that we, the trick riders want are:
b) Customization.
d) Easy to mod, compatibility with aftermarket parts.
Click to expand...
Yeah i whant a scooter that i dont have to shuve a bunch of bolts in and shit evry time i get a new one. and dick around witch C clamps.
 
C

coryM

Member
fuck dc ramp colin winkleman jumped 116 feet on his own ramp. and mat hoffman aired like 26' on a 24' ramp.

edit- oh and i just searched google and this guy beat the record. http://www.bikemag.com/news/newsarchive/111405_renniearticle/
but that guys a puss. step up and cruiser pfff.

haha wow just read that and he was on a DH (or a hardtail whip big ass dual crown fork idk) bike what a pussy hahahhahaha. and crashed.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top