[poll] diffrence between Mini Dv , harddrive or DVD cameras ?

witch camera type would you recommend ?

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AlexSchad .

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hey dudes i am getting a new camera for christmas and i was wondering what i should get . i had a mini dv video camera before . and my dad was thinking about getting a DVD one this year .

so before i consider anything i wanted to ask all my skooter friends !

i have a 350 price range basically


is there any flaws of harddrive or dvd cameras?
 
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Brian Boston

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Personally, i say go MiniDV. Its been around for awhile, the quality is great when you capture with firewire, you don't have to mess with any goofy codecs since DV is supported by all editing programs, you'll always have a hard copy of your footage (as long as you don't tape over it) and as long as you have extra tape with you its impossible to run out of room.

I think harddrive cameras are sketchy. The footage gets compressed with some kind of codec while its being written onto the drive, the quality might look fine, but your editing program might not support it. Say its a Sony harddrive cam, you might have to get a Sony editing program that supports the codec to edit it. If you ever drop the camera and the harddrive breaks, have fun paying for that repair.

DVD cameras are gross. Again the footage is compressed with a codec. Im not sure how you get the footage from DVD to PC, but it doesn't sound fun. You have a CD burner sitting in your hand writing data as you record, if you accidentally give the camera a good bump its probably gonna skip and mess up footage. The whole idea just sounds stupid unless your a soccer mom.

Go mini DV, and use the extra money you were going to pay for a hdd or dvd cam with and get a 3ccd cam.
 
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Alexis Fortini

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Mini DV: Completly fine, but just a pain to use.

DVD: Bad battery, Noise, Hard to use, DVD's Scratch, and Big. Just all around bad.

Hard Drive: Its okk. Bad battery, Noise, Memory loss, and High Capacity .

Internal Flash or SD Card: Its fine just make sure the camera doesnt compress the file and makes it turn out with lines. Good Battery, No Memory Loss, Medium Capacity.

SSD(Solid State Drive): Best, but expensive and not on many cams. High Battery, No Memory Loss, Good with Shock and Temperature.
 
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jonahreenders

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Brian Boston said:
Personally, i say go MiniDV. Its been around for awhile, the quality is great when you capture with firewire, you don't have to mess with any goofy codecs since DV is supported by all editing programs, you'll always have a hard copy of your footage (as long as you don't tape over it) and as long as you have extra tape with you its impossible to run out of room.

I think harddrive cameras are sketchy. The footage gets compressed with some kind of codec while its being written onto the drive, the quality might look fine, but your editing program might not support it. Say its a Sony harddrive cam, you might have to get a Sony editing program that supports the codec to edit it. If you ever drop the camera and the harddrive breaks, have fun paying for that repair.

DVD cameras are gross. Again the footage is compressed with a codec. Im not sure how you get the footage from DVD to PC, but it doesn't sound fun. You have a CD burner sitting in your hand writing data as you record, if you accidentally give the camera a good bump its probably gonna skip and mess up footage. The whole idea just sounds stupid unless your a soccer mom.

Go mini DV, and use the extra money you were going to pay for a hdd or dvd cam with and get a 3ccd cam.
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I have the sony Handycam DCR-SR47/L with a 60 GB hard drive and i use Pinnacle studio 12 Plus and it works fine. but i guess it might not with other softwares.. and i havent dropped my camera so i have nothing to say on that haha
 
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.erik

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Alexis Fortini said:
Mini DV: Completly fine, but just a pain to use.

DVD: Bad battery, Noise, Hard to use, DVD's Scratch, and Big. Just all around bad.

Hard Drive: Its okk. Bad battery, Noise, Memory loss, and High Capacity .

Internal Flash or SD Card: Its fine just make sure the camera doesnt compress the file and makes it turn out with lines. Good Battery, No Memory Loss, Medium Capacity.

SSD(Solid State Drive): Best, but expensive and not on many cams. High Battery, No Memory Loss, Good with Shock and Temperature.
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do you have any idea what your talking about? first you say to use image stabilization with fisheye, now this? Why are you even talking about batteries? Almost all stock batteries are short lasting. How is MiniDv a pain to use? Wtf do you mean by "turn out with lines".... interlaced footage? All cameras interlace footage, unless your shooting in a progressive mode...
 
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Alexis Fortini

Member
erik said:
do you have any idea what your talking about? first you say to use image stabilization with fisheye, now this? Why are you even talking about batteries? Almost all stock batteries are short lasting. How is MiniDv a pain to use? Wtf do you mean by "turn out with lines".... interlaced footage? All cameras interlace footage, unless your shooting in a progressive mode...
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You can use ois with a fisheye if you have spacer ring in and you cant see the edges, Stock batteries can range from 90-180 min. MiniDV takes longer to capture. And when I say turn out with lines i mean horizontal grey lines on the image. So yah i do know what im talking about
 
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Brian Boston

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Alexis Fortini said:
You can use ois with a fisheye if you have spacer ring in and you cant see the edges, Stock batteries can range from 90-180 min. MiniDV takes longer to capture. And when I say turn out with lines i mean horizontal grey lines on the image. So yah i do know what im talking about
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If you put any lens on the front your camera, any image stabilizer should be turned off.

Horizontal grey lines? What are you smoking man?
 
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Josh Young

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hahaha its funny when kids think they know what there talkin about. i know a lil but not alot. i dont go tellin kids shit in here that im not 100% sure on bc i know i would get owned and feel like a dumbass bc of brian/erik/andy knowing everything... haha
 
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Brian Boston

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Alexis Fortini said:
The first flash/SD card cams had lines on the image because the camera would compress the file onto the card
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Compression does not cause a grey line to appear on video. It downs the quality of video and audio, lowers resolution, lowers frame/bitrate to make the file smaller. If there was grey lines appearing, which i have near heard of, it was obviously a glitch in the camera. Flash cams usually encode the video into some goofy file format.

After googling and youtube searching, i can not find a single thing about anyone reporting grey or gray lines with an SD/flash video camera. Without proof, your pretty much making yourself look like you don't know what you are talking about.
 
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.erik

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Alexis Fortini said:
You can use ois with a fisheye if you have spacer ring in and you cant see the edges
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people use spacers to widen fisheyes by making the distance between the camera and lens longer, and when you do that you will most likely get vig, which you seem to be calling the "edges" of the fisheye. and if you have vig, and OIS on youre gonna look like your filming in australia.. and your saying using a spacer with a fish will REDUCE vig? wtf dude
 
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Brian Boston

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erik said:
people use spacers to widen fisheyes by making the distance between the camera and lens longer, and when you do that you will most likely get vig, which you seem to be calling the "edges" of the fisheye. and if you have vig, and OIS on youre gonna look like your filming in australia.. and your saying using a spacer with a fish will REDUCE vig? wtf dude
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This man knows the deal.

OIS can fuck up random shit in your picture like glare. If you have a fisheye on, just turn it off. Its not going to stabilize the image anyway.
 
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Alexis Fortini

Member
Brian Boston said:
Compression does not cause a grey line to appear on video. It downs the quality of video and audio, lowers resolution, lowers frame/bitrate to make the file smaller. If there was grey lines appearing, which i have near heard of, it was obviously a glitch in the camera. Flash cams usually encode the video into some goofy file format.

After googling and youtube searching, i can not find a single thing about anyone reporting grey or gray lines with an SD/flash video camera. Without proof, your pretty much making yourself look like you don't know what you are talking about.
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ur right. ive just heard about some that had lines and ive seen some thing on TV that had it. And ik they were flash.
 
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Alexis Fortini

Member
erik said:
people use spacers to widen fisheyes by making the distance between the camera and lens longer, and when you do that you will most likely get vig, which you seem to be calling the "edges" of the fisheye. and if you have vig, and OIS on youre gonna look like your filming in australia.. and your saying using a spacer with a fish will REDUCE vig? wtf dude
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yah ik its horrible if u see that with ois, but my fisheye is uneven so i put it on to where you cant see vig so ois is fine
 
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