Attitude to Bad Habits

[btyczki21]

Where do you guys get all these facts from? I have always heard from doctors that smoking anything is bad for you. So....where did you get that Bennett?

A little thing called research.

Look up Marihuana reconsidered by Dr lester Grinspoon. It was written in the 70's but all the info is still relevant. Basically its about how Dr.Grinspoon, who was a schizophrenia expert during the mid to late 60's noticed a HUGE spike in marijuana use among young people. Back then he believed all of the government bullshit about weed and he was curious why teens were so willing to consume such a "harmful drug". So he decided to conduct research on weed for the next 5 years and found out that it is next to harmless. Of course inhaling any kind of smoke will damage your lungs, but weed doesn't have the same cancer causing carcinogens that tobacco does for instance. In fact THC has been proven to suppress cancerous cells in the body. And if you it eat instead of smoke it, it is not bad for you at all

 

[JoshNunez]

Still kills brain cells haha. But I see what you guys mean now.

 

[TheLewisArsenault]

Still kills brain cells haha. But I see what you guys mean now.

I would love for you to prove this for me kind sir.
The Nixon test, were the first "controlled test" on marijuana, were conducted wrong on PURPOSE, in which they would put a gas mask on a monkey, and pump an endless amount of smoke into its lungs, with no oxygen(when you are smoking you take breaks to breath in air) So they suffocated the monkeys, causing the brain cells to die off. That's how the whole "weed kills your brain cells" analysis started. It's lies fed from the government in the 70s to stop the protest of the Vietnam war(since most to all protesters also smoked pot).

 

[Ralph]

Do drugs and Fuck sluts, if you don't, I will come eat your eyeballs with a spoon.

Eyed like to see you attempt..

i think people who dont drink and smoke are kinda boring to party with

You must know some pretty boring people if they are only fun when they need to; "increase" or "decrease" their actions of their brain.

As for me I'm sober. Never done anything don't plan on it. Call me close minded. I'm well aware, I'm a douchebag.

 

[btyczki21]

Still kills brain cells haha. But I see what you guys mean now.

nooooo, the truth behind this comes from the Heath/Tulane university study from 1974 when The report from Dr. Heath had concluded that Rhesus monkeys, smoking the equivalent of only 30 joints a day, began to atrophy and die after 90 days.

NORML pleaded with the government to explain how the study was done, and after 6 years the truth was discovered that Heath had administered 63 joints in five minutes over just three months instead of administering 30 joints per day over a one-year period as he had first reported. Heath did this, it turned out, in order to avoid having to pay an assistant’s wages every day for a full year.

obviously if your smoking 63 joints within 5 minutes (i cant even smoke one in that amount of time with 3 friends!) your just suffocating the damn monkeys. the lack of oxygen is what killed them, not the weed. so the whole killing braincells thing is just government bullshit trying to scare you.

EDIT: didnt see this haha vvv he has the idea...

I would love for you to prove this for me kind sir.
The Nixon test, were the first "controlled test" on marijuana, were conducted wrong on PURPOSE, in which they would put a gas mask on a monkey, and pump an endless amount of smoke into its lungs, with no oxygen(when you are smoking you take breaks to breath in air) So they suffocated the monkeys, causing the brain cells to die off. That's how the whole "weed kills your brain cells" analysis started. It's lies fed from the government in the 70s to stop the protest of the Vietnam war(since most to all protesters also smoked pot).

 

[Timur]

This just became adam-rouse like with that government mind control shit. Holy ballsack you sir are stoopid as shit

As I said before, I am not a fan of conspiracy theories but reading some ignorant shit like humans have evolved to smoke pot for some reason makes me wanna believe it. Unless it was some kind of a weird joke I didn't get. Still it doesn't give you right to call me stupid. At least prove your position with links to scientific researches otherwise you're just a windbag.

Bennet don't use such harsh, terrible insults towards Timur.

Timur I don't think the government wants everyone to be high all the time. I mean, it's illegal here in the US lol. And it's been pretty much proven that it's not dangerous for consumption. I mean people have tried to kill a mouse with weed. It's just not possible. All you get is a really stoned, hungry mouse.

Oh, for some reason I thought it has different status in different states.

A little thing called research.

Look up Marihuana reconsidered by Dr lester Grinspoon. It was written in the 70's but all the info is still relevant. Basically its about how Dr.Grinspoon, who was a schizophrenia expert during the mid to late 60's noticed a HUGE spike in marijuana use among young people. Back then he believed all of the government bullshit about weed and he was curious why teens were so willing to consume such a "harmful drug". So he decided to conduct research on weed for the next 5 years and found out that it is next to harmless. Of course inhaling any kind of smoke will damage your lungs, but weed doesn't have the same cancer causing carcinogens that tobacco does for instance. In fact THC has been proven to suppress cancerous cells in the body. And if you it eat instead of smoke it, it is not bad for you at all

Souns interesting, maybe I should check that.
But it is hard to judge whether these researches are 100% truth. In Russian wikipedia article on Marihuana there is a huge list of negative effects caused by smoking weed like psychological effects, delirium, memory damage, lungs damage, the impact on a fetus (among smoking women), etc. And they all also have links to the real researches.

Still I'd rather legalize weed than tobacco and alcohol. As you can see from the picture, they are more dangerous than Marihuana according to some researches.

 

[Tupsu]

Im 15, most of my friends drink alcohol and some of them smoke. I think its kinda pathetic, that some people can't have fun without alcohol but alcohol is nice some times. I don't care about smoking. It just ruins health there is nothing fun.
Here that isn't bad if you go to parties and stay sober.

 

[Bennett_J]

When i get home this thread will be raped by science.

 

[Timur]

Your way home surely takes a lot of time, lol

 

[humpurple kushiones]

As I said before, I am not a fan of conspiracy theories but reading some ignorant shit like humans have evolved to smoke pot for some reason makes me wanna believe it. Unless it was some kind of a weird joke I didn't get. Still it doesn't give you right to call me stupid. At least prove your position with links to scientific researches otherwise you're just a windbag.

nope, thats a common misconception. humans did not evolve to smoke pot. our brains produce endocannabinoids, which are found in the nervous system and immune system, these are natural and dont give you any "high" when released for various reasons. BECAUSE of these natural cannabinoids, the brain needs cannabinoid receptors to be able to use them. the cannabinoids in marijuana just happen to share a similar chemical structure as the cannabinoids in our bodies and therefore, the cannabinoid receptors are able to take them in. since the chemical structure is slightly different, they produce different effects than the natural cannabinoids our brain makes.

this could have been the case with an infinite number of chemicals, we're just fortunate enough to have receptors in our brains capable of using the ones in the marijuana plant. the cannabinoid receptors evolved with our bodies natural cannabinoids, and as a result most cannabinoids found in nature will effect the receptors in some way. thc just happens to have the funnest effect.

 

[Bennett_J]

Im too high to do this shit.


Anthony our brains are naturally available to cannibinoieds because of their relaxing abilities. Probably because way long ago people either ate it or something which gave us the ability to relax due to the THC, other than the axons being covered stopping the neuro signals to the dendrites.

 

[parrish]

Sounds like bullshit. That's what I am talking about - the government wants you to believe it's harmless, they need calm stoned unenterprising people to follow their will obediently.

stupidest thing ive ever heard, smoking weed makes you THINK, it makes you question, all the great writers of our time used psychoactive substances heavily, aldous huxley, george orwell, ken kesey, ernest hemingway, ect, ect
drugs are a portal into greater realization and enlightenment, and by smoking i mean smoking weed haha, i don't smoke tobacco, the government doesn't want you to believe its harmless, if they wanted people lazy and stoned all the time they would legalize it, the hundredth monkey is yet to come, but once we find them, everyone will realize that weed isn't bad for you, it does amazing things to your brain, i consider myself an intelligent person, and i read heavily, i love learning about new things, whatever they may be, and i thank cannabis for that, because i know i wouldn't be interested in the things i am without it, i wouldn't have been around intellectual people, and i wouldn't be who i am today, so no, weed doesn't make you obedient, because i am the most argumentative person you will ever meet.

 

[Bear Grylls]

I smoke for reasons. Not just fun

 

[humpurple kushiones]

oh wow he said that...

the government spends billions telling kids its bad for you, if they wanted us to think its harmless, they wouldnt spend so much to tell us it isnt.

marijuana isnt harmless, but its not BAD for you. and this isnt the government that releases studies every month that keep on adding on the benefits and debunking the myths, these are independent research labs filled with people that have studied this stuff for years releasing all these studies. the government doesnt want us to think weed is good, they want us to think its bad. they want the alcohol and pharmaceutical companies to keep their monopoly on pleasure and medicine, but they're losing it.

i smoke for my bad insomnia. takes me 3 hours to get to sleep on a normal night.. takes me about 20-30 minutes with cannabis. cannabis works better than sleeping pills.
cannabis works better than a lot of pharmaceuticals actually. why do you think pharmaceutical companies lobbies to make thc a schedule 3 drug.. yet made sure they clarified that they wanted to keep the ACTUAL plant a schedule 1 drug? because they know the medicinal value of this drug, and they want to duplicate and patent it, but they dont want people to grow it themselves.

 

[Timur]

Im too high to do this shit.

That was quite predictable, I should say. I wasn't expecting really much from an ignorant kid with bad manners.

stupidest thing ive ever heard, smoking weed makes you THINK, it makes you question, all the great writers of our time used psychoactive substances heavily, aldous huxley, george orwell, ken kesey, ernest hemingway, ect, ect

Sorry, but it's called sophism. It's the same as saying "all the lions have orange hair -> I have an orange hair -> therefore I am a lion" (in your example it's "all the great writers smoke weed -> I smoke weed -> I can be a cool writer too"). And ALL the great writers is clearly an overexaggeration. Plus you made it sound like these two facts - "they were smoking" and "they were great writers" - have a direct correlation, and it's obviously wrong, because the main reason why their books became so highly acclaimed is cause they were geniuses. You can also say that all the great writers were jerking off - so what? - would that mean masturbation increases your IQ? Obviously not.

drugs are a portal into greater realization and enlightenment, and by smoking i mean smoking weed haha, i don't smoke tobacco, the government doesn't want you to believe its harmless, if they wanted people lazy and stoned all the time they would legalize it, the hundredth monkey is yet to come, but once we find them, everyone will realize that weed isn't bad for you, it does amazing things to your brain, i consider myself an intelligent person, and i read heavily, i love learning about new things, whatever they may be, and i thank cannabis for that, because i know i wouldn't be interested in the things i am without it, i wouldn't have been around intellectual people, and i wouldn't be who i am today, so no, weed doesn't make you obedient, because i am the most argumentative person you will ever meet.

Sounds facinating, but what I see in reality is definetely different from what you say. You don't have to go far for an example: the kid who promised to rape this thread with science is now saying he is too high for that. Of course it may have different effect on different people, and you are truly can stay an argumentative person while you high, but trust me, I've dealt with LOTS of weed smokers and the majority of them doesn't seem like geniuses with broaden minds and strong will.

oh wow he said that...

the government spends billions telling kids its bad for you, if they wanted us to think its harmless, they wouldnt spend so much to tell us it isnt.

Ever heard of prohibition of alcohol laws? They didn't solve the problem, they made it even worse. That's the reason why Holland, where smoking weed is legal, has the smallest turnover of Marihuana in the whole Europe. The main thing is what people actually think of weed. For example, in my country millions spent on anti-alcohol programs. And what do we have? People still think it's cool to drink. Because it's widely spread in mass media. Who makes profit out of it? I dunno, maybe ZOG, Masons, Illuminati. Haha that starts to sound silly cause I don't believe in global conspiracy and shadow governments, but... who knows?

Thanks for the info on cannabinoids, anyway, I'll read more about this when I have free time.

By the way, pic somehow related:

I knew that expressing my opinion on smoking weed could be dangerous for the discussion (and it actually wasn't that bad to begin with), lol.

 

[parrish]

Bennett was obviously kidding

 

[.Gerrit]

I thought tokers were supposed to be chill and accepting of everybody.

Guess not.

 

[parrish]

no, we just get mad when people think smoking weed is bad, i have friends who don't smoke, not too many of them, but i do

 

[Timur]

Bennett was obviously kidding

Which makes him look like a total douche. He entered my thread started to talk some offtopic crap while insulting me unreasonably. And when I asked him to prove his opinion with facts, he wrote this, implying "I don't know, I don't care, so f#ck off". It that's the mentality of an average American as Joe said, than the situation in your country doesn't really differ from what is going on around me, lol.
In addition I would like to say that while participating in discussion mature people are always trying to benefit from it and respect each other even if they are expressing totally different opinions. That's why I thanked Anthony and Brian for giving me some additional information about...erm...cannabis chemistry (though it wasn't the subject of discussion, hehe) and I seriously hope that my post also made some of you think, google and lurk.
When you aren't grown up, your logic is like "he doesn't share my point of view -> he is a bad person -> I better insult him and try to make fun of him instead of proving my opinion with facts"

 

[.Gerrit]

Anyway.... to something completely unrelated: