Okay, as several of you know. I am very passionate about this topic and quite into it, so here goes. Please note, I am not attacking any of you, all the kids I quoted I respect more than you know.
Matt Ogle said:
haha i was about to kill you "scooter rob". good job on inputting the joking text that matches the grey background.
Anyway, you can believe what you want. But really, there NOT being a divine creator is statistically untrue. There is NO other reasoning to not believe in there being a god, other than someones stupididity or pride. I have chosen to follow Jesus Christ for my own reasons, and i still struggle to find and believe what is true. I am in no way close minded about anything anymore which i think is convincing me even more that Jesus was son of god and that through him eternal life can be admitted. Etc.
Props to anyone who KNOWS why they believe it though. i would never put religion between a friend and i would expect the same treatment back
How is not believing in a God statistically untrue? And how is it stupid to not believe in a God? To me, I don't see how anyone can possibly believe in a God. I don't see how someone could believe in a God that kills millions of people in their holy book (Christianity), that is a proponent of martyrdom and tells you to fight and start wars over your religion in your holy book (Islam), I don't see how someone could believe in a God period. I understand the argument, "well where do we come from then if there's no God." This is where we need to be humble and work towards discovering that truth, when you're satisfied with the belief that God made humans and all living creatures in his own image, then that leaves no reason to pursue DNA study, to pursue projects like the Human Genome Project, it makes a mockery out of science and as a result will hinder our knowledge of the world around us. If Christianity bigotry and dogma was never around, we may have discovered the structure of DNA 500 years, we may have had a complete understanding of Darwinism in the year 1,000. Religion superstition hurts our progress in science and medicine, and it is dangerous.
Pete Pachota said:
Time for another one of my pointless long posts that no one ever reads.
Afterlife.
The belief based on the concept that human conscience and perception is something supernatural, while in fact it isn't. Research in modern neurology can prove that various parts of human brain are responsible for whatever sums up to our 'soul'...
... HOWEVER, some of the christian beliefs about afterlife are not as pointless as it would seem, even if we deny the existence of soul. Think about death - most people either can't imagine what happens in the moment of death, or think of it as an eternal sleep (a natural death occurs usually after becoming unconscious). To me, it's simply when the brain functions stop - every brain activity is shut down and no changes are made in the brain from that moment on. It's pretty much like unplugging a hard disk while a program is dynamically changing it's content, the current state persists.
Now imagine you're a believing Christian who lived a good life that is about to die. In the last seconds of his conscience, he knows that he has lived up to his morals and teachings, he is happy about how he lived and has no fear of dying because, according to his beliefs, he awaits the heavenly award for his good life. He passes away smiling, his brain stops in the 'happy' state and stays like that. Eternal happiness.
On the other hand, a dying christian who has done some wrong in his life, is not sure about his future. He realizes that his life was not good and there might be a great punishment awaiting him. In the moment of death, his mind is filled with the feelings of dissatisfaction, sadness, anger, fear and despair - and it stays like that. Eternal damnation. Dying this way is the ultimate punishment and the worst thing that can happen to man.
The Bible tells that hope and pity can lead the ones who have sinned to salvation. This is true, cause hope in God and pity for sins can fill a sinners mind with happiness and make his death such as the 'good' christian's one.
Simple.
I think that's an excellent theory. Yet, it would never satisfy Christians. The idea of an afterlife ultimately helps people cope with their present life in hopes of a perfect afterlife. For instance, a mother who loses her children has that hope of being reunited with her children in the afterlife. The rich business man who loses everything and is poor the rest of his life has that hope that he will have a perfect afterlife. However, this is false hope, just because something sounds good and comforts us does not make it even remotely true. There is absolutely no evidence for an afterlife.
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Shelby Grimnes said:
I believe in the bible, I believe that Jesus, died on the cross for our sins and now his blood covers us.
When you people say that your Christian but you do what ever you want, doesn't make you Christian, because being Christian means "little Christ" or "to be like Christ" and Jesus didn't go around doing what ever he wanted, he went around caring for people and loving them. He died for OUR sins, so no one had to suffer. Now just because he died for our sins doesn't make it okay for us to go around doing what ever, its our duty has Christians to go around sharing the word of God, just has Jesus would want us to do.
Now I don't want to get into a huge argument over this, so for you that REALLY care and want to hear more, just talk to me over aim or myspace.
I pray for my haters, so for you guys that make fun of me, I love you guys and Pray for you, just like Jesus would of done.
haha
its better to believe in something than die for nothing.
if you dont respect others opinions you dont deserve any yourself.
But
why believe? Why do you have to believe? There is no basis, no evidence, and no reason in religion whatsoever. As the two famous quotes say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, therefore what can be asserted without proof can be dismissed with proof.
Matt Ogle said:
a rabbi? i dont think that would be an accurate depiction of Jesus. But i know what your getting at.
Im not a fan of organized religion much anymore, and i hate classifying them. The bible CLEARLY tells us two things: 1) Following Jesus Christ, therefore repenting from sin and having a personal relationship with christ. 2) Loving our neighbor as ourselves. This is pretty much all i have taken from Jesus's miracles and parables. That is the religion i follow.
Doesn't the Bible also tell us to stone adulterers to death? To stone disobedient children to death? That the punishment for working on the Sabbath is death? Why don't we just eliminate the bible and all aspects of religion as a whole and use our common sense to make decisions about the world around us. If you want to use the bible as a tool to justify something, you can use to justify anything, particularly murder. Science is proving now that you are born with a sense of right and wrong, that it is not something you pick up through any superstition or book. Imagine a four year old child in Church reading passages like this, " "But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" What moral lesson do we take from this? When we look at the world without any sort of dogma or superstition we are better able to make fair judgments and decisions that will benefit humanity as a whole.
Religion, to me, is false and not needed.
