i just got back from my dads in nj yesterday, and me and acouple freinds up there build a 3 ft launch ramp and brought it to a lake. it was on a ledge/ little cliff, so it was about 6-7 ft fromt he top of the ramp to the water. anyway it was for our bikes, but i brought my scooter with too and was getting 1080's around sometimes. only when i stayed with the scooter, so much of a huck. i went off axes alot too. stil no way id get them around on a box, id chicken out every time. i aslo tried flips and landed acouple but they scared me.