I believe this image nearly cost him his career. And who knows what he could have achieved if he weren't drinking and smoking?
Attitude to Bad Habits
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I believe this image nearly cost him his career. And who knows what he could have achieved if he weren't drinking and smoking?
humpurple kushiones
Steel Member
who said he could have achieved anything more? if you don't have evidence that a particular drug decreases athletic ability, don't assume it does. you're basically just spewing unproven crap because of some stupid little vendetta you have against drugs, and its making you look ignorant.
and it almost cost him his career because of uneducated anti-drug simpletons. if people actually took the time to examine the effects of marijuana instead of just believing the first ignorant bs thats spewed upon them by their teachers and parents, there wouldnt be a single person opposed to it's use in moderation. well, aside of course pharmaceutical companies that make sleeping meds, cancer drugs ect.. and alcohol companies..
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oakweb
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i think everywhere it's the same...
TheLewisArsenault
Bronze member
Thats a sick bong he has, he should make a bong company, and call it "Phongs".
Oh my... Do you even read what I am trying to say to you? Firstly I wrote that my attitude to weed is the best among those three mentioned kinds of substances and you suddenly began to attack this thread while insulting me and typing some incoherent and unscientific crap. Then I wrote:
And now you are calling me a conspiracy theorist. Honestly, you should give up on drugs, they probably do some weird things to your imagination =]
Calm down. I can say exactly the same thing about you as well. I have read enough articles and spent enough time with stoners to have my own opinion on this subject. The number of articles bashing on weed is actually not lesser than the number of articles defending it. So how can you guarantee that those articles aren't funded by drug dealers and all the other people that make profits out of selling weed? You can say it sounds silly and I am some kind of stupid Russian conspiracy theorist, but at the same time your theory about pharmaceutical and alcohol companies' conspiracy sounds exactly the same from my point of view.
And you as well can not prove that doing drugs doesn't affect one's athletic abilities. Unless you are a doctor doing some real researches in this sphere, this conversation is pretty much useless (not to mention it is off-topic).
humpurple kushiones
Steel Member
No, you can't say the same thing about me, unlike you, i've done years of research on the subject.
"The number of articles bashing on weed is actually not lesser than the number of articles defending it."
Studies that find something wrong with weed are rare, so rare in fact that ive only seen 3-4. And none of them had any significant evidence.
"So how can you guarantee that those articles aren't funded by drug dealers and all the other people that make profits out of selling weed?"
Because thats not how research labs work... you have got to be kidding me.
"You can say it sounds silly and I am some kind of stupid Russian conspiracy theorist, but at the same time your theory about pharmaceutical and alcohol companies' conspiracy sounds exactly the same from my point of view. "
It sounds ridiculous because you have NO EVIDENCE.
http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/201...obby-fighting-against-marijuana-legalization/
http://www.alternet.org/story/14821...ve_in_alliance_with_police_industrial_complex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_a_Drug-Free_America
I HAVE PROOF OF THE THINGS I SAY, you do NOT. stop comparing our sides, one is clearly wrong and one is clearly right. and im not trying to sound cocky, but im clearly not wrong.
"And you as well can not prove that doing drugs doesn't affect one's athletic abilities."
-___- you have absolutely no idea how much i hate this argument. "YOU CANT PROVE A NEGATIVE HAR HAR HAR"
its not my job to prove a negative, the burden of proof lies with the person making the assertion. you are making an assertion that marijuana could decrease athletic ability, im asking you for proof. if you cannot provide the proof, your assertion is utterly worthless, and therefore we must assume the neutral.. that it has NO effect on athletic ability, until proven otherwise.
"Unless you are a doctor doing some real researches in this sphere, this conversation is pretty much useless"
i may not be a research biologist yet (although it IS what im majoring in), but i know how to do research, and i know what im talking about on this subject.
please stop making yourself look ignorant. your riding is really good so i don't want to look at you as another adam rouse.
tylerbillman
Steel Member
I didn't accuse weed of destroying lives, I said I don't like it burning my throat and prefer oxygen.
And my mile in 5:55 without weed.
Riley Hughes
Steel Member
i'm pretty sure the mile time is because you're not a middle schooler and you're an adult now, obviously you're going to be able to run faster now? hahahaha!
Bear Grylls
M3MB3R
I smoke basically three times a day. I play sports such as hockey, (going to play Lacrosse), volleyball, and scooter. I play hockey about 10 hours a week usually and volleyball 7 hours. Scootering is whenever.. I don't have any physical changes since i started smoking but maybe thats just me. I can run a 7 minute mile and still be able to run
yea i know coolstorybro
also: I played hockey one night really high and i was soo good haha, but i dont think i could run high
yea i know coolstorybro
also: I played hockey one night really high and i was soo good haha, but i dont think i could run high
So basically you've done years of research on this subject from the smoker's point of view? No wonder your perception of any criticism of weed would be negative.
Sounds strange. I found lots of articles in Russian and read a some of them - they seem legit. Also, Russian wikipedia article dedicated to marihuana has a huge part about the effects of smoking, and it is full of links to different researches.
I am not talking about researches, I am talking about articles. Do you truly believe everything you find on the internet is written by scientists and doctors?
OK, I admit I didn't know that, but it actually doesn't prove a thing. Business is business. It is totally reasonable from the alcohol companies' point of view to protect their market and don't let cannabis entering it. And it doesn't prove that weed is harmless and all the articles bashing on weed are sponsored by these companies.
However, I should say one more time that I'd rather have cannabis legalized and alcohol prohibited.
That's what you want to believe. This statement is kinda immature from my point of view. In fact, is it even worth to discuss anything with the person who won't even consider a slightest possibility of changing his mind? Maybe we both are just wasting our time typing all this then?
I've just read an article explaining why smoking weed is harmful for someone's lungs. But it's in Russian so providing you with a link would be pointless I guess. So is it wrong for me after that to assume that this person could probably perform better if he weren't smoking?
I should say it sounds so pathetic when weed smokers name some sportsmen, scientists, writers, etc as an example of why weed is harmless. It is like a childish scream: "Look! We can be successful too!" Vegetarians act absolutelty the same when they begin to list celebrities that don't eat meat. Isn't it silly? It's just another sophism and I won't fall for it (see an example above in this thread). Also don't forget that drugs affect different people differently.
How am I even make myself look ignorant? I am spending my time on reading and talking about stuff I TOTALLY don't care about. I can perfectly have fun or sleep well or do whatever else without weed, I don't need to waste my time, money and probably health on that shit. If you think you have enough time, money and health to afford that and even do some medical researches - good for you, I guess. But, once again, it is TOTALLY NOT connected to what I wanted to hear in this thread. Oh well, judging by the number of pages in "cannabis discussion" thread I can make some slight conclusions on how you guys treat non-smokers.
humpurple kushiones
Steel Member
I've done years of research from a nuetral point of view. If weed is that bad for me, I would stop.
And do you bother to read the effects? They aren't horrible. You say there's a ton negative effects.. prove it.
Ok so you say news articals are being paid off for by drug dealers.. prove it.
Those articals I posted were to prove that I can back up my statements and therefore our side can't be compared.
I'm not close minded, you show me evidence and ill change my mind if the evidence works.
Please show me where I said weed is harmless... its OBVIOUSLY bad to inhale smoke into your lungs, I never claimed it wasn't, but the plant itself if consumed in a way that isn't smoking, its actually very good for you.
And if you don't care abbout a subject, don't make false claims about it. You make it sound as if its horrible for you or decreases athletic ability with bothibg to back it up. And I don't care if people don't smoke, good for them, but don't make claims you can't support.
If I made any spelling mistakes or w\e its because I'm in my phone.
And do you bother to read the effects? They aren't horrible. You say there's a ton negative effects.. prove it.
Ok so you say news articals are being paid off for by drug dealers.. prove it.
Those articals I posted were to prove that I can back up my statements and therefore our side can't be compared.
I'm not close minded, you show me evidence and ill change my mind if the evidence works.
Please show me where I said weed is harmless... its OBVIOUSLY bad to inhale smoke into your lungs, I never claimed it wasn't, but the plant itself if consumed in a way that isn't smoking, its actually very good for you.
And if you don't care abbout a subject, don't make false claims about it. You make it sound as if its horrible for you or decreases athletic ability with bothibg to back it up. And I don't care if people don't smoke, good for them, but don't make claims you can't support.
If I made any spelling mistakes or w\e its because I'm in my phone.
Ton negative effects? I never said it that way.
I've read couple of articles that Google gave me when I typed "the effects of smoking marihuana" and related article in Russian wikipedia. There is the same article in English wikipedia, but unfortunately I don't have enough freetime to spend it on translating all those medical and chemical terms. But you can look through it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis. I admit some of them might not be 100% true, but there is at least one - on lungs - that you admitted yourself.
As for the real life experience: my friend has once smashed his car into a pillar while being high. Luckily he and his passenger got only a couple of scratches. While being in normal condition he is quite an accurate driver, I should say.
I made an assumption. If I have freetime, I'll search for it.
But anyway, if one side can invest money into prohibiting weed, why drug dealers can't afford themselves the same measures considering the size of this illegal market? It isn't smart of you to ignore this possibility.
As I have said, they only prove that alcohol companies want to protect their market. Who said these articles are surely connected with actual researches?
Why would you ask me for that? I haven't even mentioned anything about your attitude to smoking; and I still remember your "Weed isn't harmless but it's not BAD" on the first or seconds page of the thread.
I was forced to care about it, lol. It would be very rude of me to quit this discussion without having any conclusion. You obviously overexaggerating what am I really saying about weed. My position is actually:
1) Weed is better than alcohol and tobacco
2) Stoners > people who drink and smoke ciggs
3) But it isn't harmless.
4) So I wouldn't like to try it.
THAT'S ALL. All I wanted to know is the attitude of people who drink and smoke (whatever) to those who have chosen healthy lifestyle. And the results are quite shocking, tbh.
My elder brother smokes at least once a week, but he respects my choice and never have he asked me to smoke with him. Same with the friends from my university which also smoke from time to time: if they hear someone expresses his honest negative opinion on subject they are like "ok, buddy, we won't force you into doing it". However the situation with alcohol is exacly opposite; just as I described it in my opening post: it is considered absolutely normal to drink and when you aren't drinking - that's the deviation from the drinkers' point of view.
Judging from this thread, unlike local ones, US stoners are ready to club you to death if you mention a slightest negative thought about weed, lol. I may be exaggerating, but seriously, that's the feeling that this thread gives to me.
KrontonBuckie
Member
Timur did you take any time to look up dr grinspoon? He was against marijuana in the 60's so he did extensive research and found it to be close to harmless...
Here is a link to his blog.....
http://marijuana-uses.com/
Here is a link to his blog.....
http://marijuana-uses.com/
humpurple kushiones
Steel Member
Never claimed it was harmless... and your friend is stupid for driving high..
Don't make assumptions that have nothing to back them up.
And what are you talking about "researches"
They admited to it, no research required.
You said potheads go around claiming its harmless.. you're wrong at least in my case.
And yes, it isn't very bad for you, the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
And this whole thing started because you claimed weed could have an effect on athletic ability, then I asked you for proof and now it turned to this.
Don't make assumptions that have nothing to back them up.
And what are you talking about "researches"
They admited to it, no research required.
You said potheads go around claiming its harmless.. you're wrong at least in my case.
And yes, it isn't very bad for you, the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
And this whole thing started because you claimed weed could have an effect on athletic ability, then I asked you for proof and now it turned to this.
OK, thanks for this one, I think I'll check it sometime.
I see no controversy to what I have typed.
Never did I said that one either.
I suppose different people think differently about this point. For me - not. But I never try to talk my brother out of smoking, and he never offers me a joint.
Well, it wouldn't have started if you could simply avoid using this sportsman's example. As I have already said, it is a sophism and cannot be used as a legit argument. Those who drink alcohol can as well say that Yuri Gagarin - the first man in space - was a drinking person. Does that really justify alcohol? I suppose not.
And, finally, in my opinion it is not hard to build a logical chain between having totally unaffected healthy lungs and performing better at competitions.
Dom Marconi
Silver Member
I smoke cigarettes, and I think it's retarded when some adults treat me like I'm not a real person for it. Some people don't even take it in to consideration when I talk with them though.
KrontonBuckie
Member
Ciggerettes are really stupid though
Dom Marconi
Silver Member
Yeah, you're more stupid though.
Michael Aylsworth
Member
gross, bro.