chromoly steel scooter deck

All-Weld

Member
really? i thought that 7075 was used in some bike frames which are welded and certain pegs for scooters, i am not expert but i thought that was the case .

Yes really.;).
7075 cannot be welded with any normal welding process. They have experimented with welding 7075 with an extremely expensive, rare and currently unrealistic new process called "Electron Beam" welding and dont think they were extremely sucessful.
There are no bike frames made out of welded 7075...there are a few made from 7005 and that is "weldable". The only way to make a bike frame from 7075 would be to have all the connections "glued" (bonded with epoxy/adhesive) which could be done.

and yes, they make 7075-t6 scooter pegs, bike sprockets, and lots of other machined parts that do not need to be welded.
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Connorh333

Steel Member
There is no possible way they could be made from 7075 aluminum...just the block of 7075 needed to make one deck plate would cost at least several hundred dollars, if not a lot more.
I'm sure they are made from 6061-T6 at very best.... and the aluminum comes already heat treated. They are not welded, so there is no need for any additional heat treating (post weld heat treating).

7075 aluminum is a HUGE big step up from 6061. 7075 is amazing stuff...so strong...so expensive.
I would love to have a scooter deck made from 7075 it would be the sickest deck ever..and most expensive. lol
7075 is not weldable so it would have to be a 2 piece (bolt together) deck, but I would pay the extra price if a company would make one:cool:
Probably never happen.
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Sorry for the off topic question but...
What is the difference between 7075 and 6061? Is it like stronger? Lighter?
More Dense?
 

All-Weld

Member
Sorry for the off topic question but...
What is the difference between 7075 and 6061? Is it like stronger? Lighter?
More Dense?

No prob man, this should explain it pretty well.

Aluminum is typically combined with (alloyed with) other elements to improve upon its material properties. The alloying elements make up a small fraction of the material by weight (typically less than 10%) but they can have a significant impact on the strength, weldablity, corrosion resistance and expense of the material.
6061 Aluminum Alloy (AA 6061)

6061 aluminum is a family of aluminum alloys combining aluminum with magnesium (roughly 1.0% by weight) and silicon (roughly 0.5% by weight), sometimes mixed with a variety of other materials including iron, copper, chromium, zinc, manganese and titanium. 6061 is a strong an easily welded alloy frequently used for bike frames (as well as aircraft, boats and more).

All 6061 aluminum alloys have the same weight (density) and stiffness, but the strength of the alloy varies slightly with the specific alloying elements and the "temper" or heat treatment used to produce the material.

There are three common tempers of 6061 aluminum:

6061-O is a soft annealed alloy and is the weakest of the three common tempers. It is too weak to be of use for bike frame tubes.
6061-T4 is a heat treated, naturally aged alloy that is roughly twice as strong as 6061-O.
6061-T6 is a heat treated, artificially aged alloy that is roughly 2.5 times stronger than 6061-O. 6061-T6 aluminum alloy is probably the single most popular material used in modern bike frames, and is also used extensively in the manufacture of other components such as derailleurs, stems, cranks and handlebars.

7005 Aluminum Alloy (AA 7005)

7005 aluminum is a family of aluminum alloys combining aluminum with zinc (roughly 4.5% by weight), sometimes mixed with a variety of other materials including silicon, magnesium, iron, copper, chromium, manganese and titanium. 7005 is 10% stronger and a little more brittle than 6061 aluminum.

7005 occupies a curious market position relative to 6061 frames. Unlike 6061, 7005 does not require expensive heat treatment to be strong enough to use within a bike frame. However, a non-heat-treated 7005 frame requires more material to provide its strength. This means you can find cheap but relatively heavy frames made of non-heat-treated 7005 alloy. One can also create a very strong and light frame out of heat-treated 7005 aluminum, but this adds cost to the manufacturing process. This means you can find more expensive, but very light and strong 7005 frames as well. Hence depending on the heat treatment, 6061 aluminum is comparable to 7005 at both high and low price points, but 6061 occupies the middle part of the market in addition to competing well at the high and low end. 7005 aluminum is primarily found in low-end bikes (when not heat treated) or high-end bikes (when heat treated) but rarely in the middle.

7075 is the highest strength common alum alloy. Yield and ultimate strengths almost double of 6061. 7075 aluminum is an alloy, with zinc as the primary alloying element. It is strong, with a strength comparable to many steels, and has good fatigue strength and machinability, but has less resistance to corrosion than many other Al alloys. Its relatively high cost limits its use to applications where cheaper alloys are not suitable.

7075 aluminum alloy's composition roughly includes 5.6–6.1% zinc, 2.1–2.5% magnesium, 1.2–1.6% copper, and less than half a percent of silicon, iron, manganese, titanium, chromium, and other metals. It is produced in many tempers, some of which are 7075-O, 7075-T6, 7075-T651.

7075-O

Un-heat-treated 7075 (7075-O temper) has maximum tensile strength no more than 40,000 psi (276 MPa), and maximum yield strength no more than 21,000 psi (145 MPa). The material has an elongation (stretch before ultimate failure) of 9–10%.
7075-T6

T6 temper 7075 has an ultimate tensile strength of 74,000–78,000 psi (510–538 MPa) and yield strength of at least 63,000–69,000 psi (434–476 MPa). It has a failure elongation of 5–8%.[2]
7075-T651

T651 temper 7075 has an ultimate tensile strength of at least 67,000–78,000 psi (462–538 MPa) and yield strength of 54,000–67,000 psi (372–462 MPa). It has a failure elongation of 3–9%.

7075 is not considered a weldable aluminum but is great for machining and is an amazingly strong material.


These are just quick copy and pastes from different info i have laying around hopefully it clears things up a little for you without going to much in to the complex bullshit.

... i guess we should get back to chromoly scooter decks now, sorry. lol
 
The potential problem I imagine a steel deck would have is the lack of flex. I like District and Addict decks most because unlike the Phoenix and TSI decks I have owned, they have more give and less rigid feel while still giving a confident ride. I feel a steel deck deck would be no better.

Legitimate concern but it doesn't really matter from my understanding. Aluminum is likely to snap and steel is likely to bend. Phoenix and TSI make better decks though, I promise, well at least I know TSI does. Your theory of flex doesn't matter if the deck is lighter and weaker.
 

Joe Riley

The Gypsy
Staff member
Legitimate concern but it doesn't really matter from my understanding. Aluminum is likely to snap and steel is likely to bend. Phoenix and TSI make better decks though, I promise, well at least I know TSI does. Your theory of flex doesn't matter if the deck is lighter and weaker.

His theory isn't about strength, it's about feel. You know, some people care about what a deck feels like instead of just how strong it is.
 
His theory isn't about strength, it's about feel. You know, some people care about what a deck feels like instead of just how strong it is.

Hey now, if that's what he's saying, then so be it, that just wasn't my interpretation when I read it due to the thread talking about tinsel strength and characteristics of metal.
 
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