when throw them, I do them out of quarter pipes and use the coping to kick the scooter up and then use my arms to pull it around, then take my right hand off when the bartube hits my forarm. watch the deck come arounnd, and place your flead foot out in front of you. sometimes, you'll catch it too if you throw it around fast. just takes practicee. took me about two weeks to get them on lock after i got the rotation.