thealexbuffery
Gold Member
theyre alright, i had (my friend has them atm) a pair and they were alright, they never chunked or dehub or any of that, sometimes im a sketchy rider too so yeah
theyre pretty nice for how much they are too
HELP me pick the right wheel
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theyre alright, i had (my friend has them atm) a pair and they were alright, they never chunked or dehub or any of that, sometimes im a sketchy rider too so yeah
theyre pretty nice for how much they are too
MattThomMakesMeWarmInside
Silver Member
Can anyone actually give me reasons? "Pick this cuz I said so" advice isn't very helpful in making a logical decision.
And no one has anything to say about Vertx wheels?
and again, NO SPOKES
And no one has anything to say about Vertx wheels?
and again, NO SPOKES
tyler_magro
UN1C0RN
wtf spokes? these aren't plastic wheels... metal cores don't break spoked or not, the urethane will first obviously
Ive been experimenting with wheels for a while so here's the rundown:
Vertx's urethane is incredibly hard and slippery, fun for power slides but flatspots/chunks too easy. They are also really slow
Sliders urethane is right in the middle, grips perfect on concrete but a little slippery on wood. They are pretty quick but not the fastest
Grippers have bouncy urethane. They will grip anything, even dusty wood. A tad faster than sliders.
Phoniex wheels have urethane a bit softer than sliders. They are a bit slower as well. They're good for indoor parks
Lucky, Anaquda, Sacrifice, Envy wheels are all around the same price so I'm grouping them. In order from fastest/hardest to slowest/grippiest its Envy, Sacrifice, Lucky, Anaquda
I haven't ridden eagles
Ive been experimenting with wheels for a while so here's the rundown:
Vertx's urethane is incredibly hard and slippery, fun for power slides but flatspots/chunks too easy. They are also really slow
Sliders urethane is right in the middle, grips perfect on concrete but a little slippery on wood. They are pretty quick but not the fastest
Grippers have bouncy urethane. They will grip anything, even dusty wood. A tad faster than sliders.
Phoniex wheels have urethane a bit softer than sliders. They are a bit slower as well. They're good for indoor parks
Lucky, Anaquda, Sacrifice, Envy wheels are all around the same price so I'm grouping them. In order from fastest/hardest to slowest/grippiest its Envy, Sacrifice, Lucky, Anaquda
I haven't ridden eagles
sliders are faster than grippers, hence the harder urethane.
sliders are stronger than grippers. you will not slip on sliders dude.
river wheels are FAST, the orange ones are the harder version i believe and they were the best wheels ive ridden on someone elses scooter and no one has broken them yet from what i know. my next pair of wheels for sure.
like i said before everything else sucks. until tilt wheels come out, the scooter industry just hasn't gotten wheels down yet. by far the one part that needs huge improvement.
vertx wheels are not only really sketchy because you might get a bad batch with shitty urethane or you might get a decent batch that is still pretty slow, wears down fast, and is slippery as fuck. they also chunk.
tyler_magro
UN1C0RN
Nope actually grippers are faster than sliders. Ive experienced it myself and it even says in on the packaging. But yes, sliders are longer lasting than grippers.
well ive also ridden both and i think sliders are faster and stay faster in the long run. i dont know how a softer wheel can be faster.
zach poon
Silver Member
Yak
Im riding raymond warners at the moment and i love them, they feel like grippers and are pretty fast i like them alot as much as my grippers actually; i havent heard of them chunking and not many dehubs
yak wheels are retarded; do not buy yaks, they chunk and dehub easy and ovalize fast; this isnt 2010
Im riding raymond warners at the moment and i love them, they feel like grippers and are pretty fast i like them alot as much as my grippers actually; i havent heard of them chunking and not many dehubs
Hamish C
Steel Member
Overall, I'd say just get fullcore Sliders. Fast enough and are a nice, solid wheel. I had a pair for 9 months and they are still alive, I just switched to some sig Grippers for more speed though.
If you are talking about the Comet (3 spoked) wheels, they are made by Eagle so the same sort of urethane as them. Seem like they might be a little stronger but I have seen chunked ones. The fullcore ones with the DS logo are just standard chinese made crap, my friend had a pair and he didnt break them but they wore down til they were too hard in like a month. Not sure about the Conspiracy wheels, never rode them.
I've seen Julio's and Eagle spoked/fullcores broken at the core haha Proto spokes seem like they are thick enough though. Maddgear spoked bend at the core as well.
I was talking about the conspiracy wheels, the other ones ds makes don't look as good
Hamish C
Steel Member
Yeah dont really know snything about them, don't know anyone who rides them.
Billie Rainbow
Silver Member
rest of friendly crew(1/2 of ds aus team is in friendly) says that the conspiracy wheels are made for street pretty much. 88a, fairly fast, feels like sliders with a tiny bit less pu to me. the pu is only the tiniest bit less resistant than sliders so you get lines/cracks when worn well(seen 5 back ones worn to <6mm of pu left.
id suggest scooter hut 125 6 spoke. fast, light, grip is ridiculously good, no chunks when worn and 60-70 $aus a pair
id suggest scooter hut 125 6 spoke. fast, light, grip is ridiculously good, no chunks when worn and 60-70 $aus a pair
MattThomMakesMeWarmInside
Silver Member
So, basically, what I'm gathering is that in my absence of 4 years, the wheel game hasn't picked up as much as it should have and it's all a matter of which wheel beats the others, still no ultimate wheel.
-People mention wanting Tilt to make wheels/they will one day/ if they do. I don't expect anything soon since there's no info to be commonly found online, but does anyone have any info past that?
-I wanna ride big when I wanna ride big with ZERO worries. Drops, sets, whatever. I'm dialing out with TSI, Tilt, and Proto parts to make my complete, so then my only worry is the spoke of the wheel. I know these aren't plastic spokes (and I've had 3 of the typical 5 point stars explode in half going down my local big set without managing to get hurt ever) but they still are little pieces of aluminum that are going to be put under extremely high bursts of pressure here and there. Why I ever felt safe enough after 2 wheels exploding to go for a 3rd I can not tell you, but I can tell you the 3rd one got me concerned.
-Physics. In frequenting this forum years ago, I think I remember something about pressure always working its way to the weak spot Reinforce the deck, break the headtube. Reinforce the headtube, break the bars by the clamp. Grab an scs, break the aluminum fork...and so on. to If I have solid 4130 heat treated parts, SCS, and the best deck out there, would the pressure find its way to the little aluminum wheels? No expert in this area by any means, just trying to explain my thought process and if this could be better explained to me/if I'm blatantly wrong.
-People mention wanting Tilt to make wheels/they will one day/ if they do. I don't expect anything soon since there's no info to be commonly found online, but does anyone have any info past that?
-I wanna ride big when I wanna ride big with ZERO worries. Drops, sets, whatever. I'm dialing out with TSI, Tilt, and Proto parts to make my complete, so then my only worry is the spoke of the wheel. I know these aren't plastic spokes (and I've had 3 of the typical 5 point stars explode in half going down my local big set without managing to get hurt ever) but they still are little pieces of aluminum that are going to be put under extremely high bursts of pressure here and there. Why I ever felt safe enough after 2 wheels exploding to go for a 3rd I can not tell you, but I can tell you the 3rd one got me concerned.
-Physics. In frequenting this forum years ago, I think I remember something about pressure always working its way to the weak spot Reinforce the deck, break the headtube. Reinforce the headtube, break the bars by the clamp. Grab an scs, break the aluminum fork...and so on. to If I have solid 4130 heat treated parts, SCS, and the best deck out there, would the pressure find its way to the little aluminum wheels? No expert in this area by any means, just trying to explain my thought process and if this could be better explained to me/if I'm blatantly wrong.
TheViralAd
Bronze member
Razor wheels. Sounds stupid but they're really good, never slipped out, fast, perfect urethane, never chunk, they're cheep too
zach poon
Silver Member
I wouldnt worry about the whole spoke thing; proto has wheels down pretty good; and tsi i dont think you can beat it deck wise, basically proto bars tilt scs tilt fork protos and a threshold will hold you down strength wise no doubt, or tsi thomcats; and you basically have a tank of a scooter
GraysonD!!
Silver Member
Yes tilt is making a scooter wheel and it's gonna be out in April I believe. I would worry about spokes cracking I haven't seen a cracked proto wheel in ever. No matter what something is gonna break you can't help, that now you can get the best parts to prevent it but there is still a way that every part is gonna break over time.
Hamish C
Steel Member
TILT wheels have gone into production, they should be out within the next couple months.
The original Phoenix wheels (ones that are made in America) would be the strongest wheel I'd say, but I've heard they're slow. The best overall wheel for your needs would probably be fullcore Proto Sliders, because you need a wheel with a bit of speed to clear gaps and set's and the cores are heaps beefy.
I think the amount of pressure your scooter takes depends on how you land. Some people just land hard and snap parts and some seem to land so that the pressure gets evenly dispersed and don't break parts as frequently. Weight would also be a factor.
A good friend of mine rides a Proto deck, Thom Cats, Heptrons, TILT SCS, fullcore sliders and he goes pretty big down sets and such, hasn't had a problem with that setup yet. If you build something along those lines you shouldn't have any problems, at least for a while.