Garrett B
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HIC vs SCS, A Study by Madis Kukk
This has been a topic of debate among scooter riders pretty much since both these systems came about. What weighs more, HIC (with an oversized double clamp and oversized bars) or SCS (with a quad clamp, normal or oversized bars)? Mr. Kukk applied the good ol scientific process to find out the truth. Read on:
"A friend of mine, Arco, said that I’m a nolifer, but here goes nothing:
since I recently received my next test-run of wees with diffirent crossbars and steertubes (oversized and standard-sized), I’ve wanted to test one of the most wide-spread myths of scooter tech:
HYPOTHESIS:
using standard-sized bars with SCS is lighter than oversized bars with HIC.
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RESEARCH MATERIAL:
[Bars]
* Standard-sized WEE bars, 24x22 minus 1.5” for SCS,
.065” crossbar, raw: 1105g (2lb 7oz)
* Oversized WEE bars, 24x22, full-height (for HIC),
.065” crossbar, raw: 1220g (2lb 11oz)
[SCS]
* Tilt SCS (w/o adapter): 202g (7.1 oz)
* Tilt SCS “LT”-version: 176g (6.2 oz)
* Phoenix Smooth SCS: 160g (5.6 oz)
[HIC adapters]
* aluminium 54mm HIC adapter by TSI: 20g (0.7 oz)
* crmo4130 44mm homemade HIC adapter: 48g (1.7 oz)
* crmo4130 61mm homemade HIC adapter: 66g (2.3 oz)
[Clamps for oversized bars]
* Proto Half Knuckle: 120g (4.2 oz)
* District doubleclamp: 66g (2.3 oz)
[Other shit]
* FSA topcap with 35mm compressionbolt: ~16g (0.6 oz)
* 104mm oversized steertube piece: 126g (4.4 oz)
THUS THROUGH CROSS MULTIPLICATION
a 1.5” / 38mm piece would weigh 46g (1.6 oz)
___________________________________________
ASSEMBLING:
Now, we put some front-end setups together:
___________________________________________
#1 /// Standard-sized bars with SCS
+ Standard-sized bars, 24x22 minus 1.5” for SCS,
+ Phoenix Smooth SCS with aftermarket 25mm bolts,
+ FSA topcap + compressionbolt
= 1282g (2lb (13.2oz)
#2 /// Oversized bars with HIC (alu HIC adapter)
+ Oversized bars, 24x22 full-height for HIC
+ TSI’s HIC adapter, 54mm, aluminium,
+ FSA topcap + compressionbolt
+ Proto Half Knuckle,
cause half knux are the best (and sorry Helmeri,
but fuck district clamps ‘cause their threads strip).
= 1376g (3lb 0.5oz)
#3 /// Oversized bars with HIC (crmo4130 HIC adapter)
Same shit as in #2 but instead
of TSI’s aluminium adapter there’s
the homemade 44mm chrmo4130 HIC adapter.
= 1404g (3lb 1.5oz)
#4 /// Oversized with SCS (!!!)
+ Oversized bars 24x22, raw
+ minus 1.5” for SCS (1220g - 46g = 1174g)
+ Tilt SCS (1 3/8” compatible; without adapter)
+ FSA topcap + compressionbolt
= 1392g (3lb 1.1oz)
The oversized bars with SCS (#4) weight lies between #2 and #3.
______________________________________________________
CONCLUSION:
So you see, not only having standard-sized bars with SCS is lighter than having oversized bars with HIC, but even oversized bars with SCS are basicly in the same weight ratio as oversized bars w/ HIC systems based on Half Knuckles. HIC bars usually have a notch at the bottom of the bars (HIC, ICS and stock bars usually tend to crack at the bottom if a fair amount of gnarliness is applied, eventually happens to every bar that has a notch) and SCS clamps eliminate the notch-cracking issue. Thus: if you’re choosing between SCS and HIC compressions, choose SCS and your bars will last a ton longer, for-fucking-ever.
The only thing you SHOULD choose between is that either if you’re using a standard-sized tube or an oversized bar, because oversized bars (since they are a heavier by 6%) may help with the weight-ratio by distributing the overall weight of your scooter if you’re using a heavier deck (such as a Stan Smirnoff sig. deck) or whatever, depending on your taste.
BOTTOM LINE:
research proves that even if you’re using oversized bars, you should choose SCS instead of HIC cause’ the weight diffirence is slim-to-none and because SCS eliminates the cracking issue due to notches.
-mk"
Props to Madis for going through the trouble to do this.
HIC vs SCS, A Study by Madis Kukk
This has been a topic of debate among scooter riders pretty much since both these systems came about. What weighs more, HIC (with an oversized double clamp and oversized bars) or SCS (with a quad clamp, normal or oversized bars)? Mr. Kukk applied the good ol scientific process to find out the truth. Read on:
"A friend of mine, Arco, said that I’m a nolifer, but here goes nothing:
since I recently received my next test-run of wees with diffirent crossbars and steertubes (oversized and standard-sized), I’ve wanted to test one of the most wide-spread myths of scooter tech:
HYPOTHESIS:
using standard-sized bars with SCS is lighter than oversized bars with HIC.
__________________________________________
RESEARCH MATERIAL:
[Bars]
* Standard-sized WEE bars, 24x22 minus 1.5” for SCS,
.065” crossbar, raw: 1105g (2lb 7oz)
* Oversized WEE bars, 24x22, full-height (for HIC),
.065” crossbar, raw: 1220g (2lb 11oz)
[SCS]
* Tilt SCS (w/o adapter): 202g (7.1 oz)
* Tilt SCS “LT”-version: 176g (6.2 oz)
* Phoenix Smooth SCS: 160g (5.6 oz)
[HIC adapters]
* aluminium 54mm HIC adapter by TSI: 20g (0.7 oz)
* crmo4130 44mm homemade HIC adapter: 48g (1.7 oz)
* crmo4130 61mm homemade HIC adapter: 66g (2.3 oz)
[Clamps for oversized bars]
* Proto Half Knuckle: 120g (4.2 oz)
* District doubleclamp: 66g (2.3 oz)
[Other shit]
* FSA topcap with 35mm compressionbolt: ~16g (0.6 oz)
* 104mm oversized steertube piece: 126g (4.4 oz)
THUS THROUGH CROSS MULTIPLICATION
a 1.5” / 38mm piece would weigh 46g (1.6 oz)
___________________________________________
ASSEMBLING:
Now, we put some front-end setups together:
___________________________________________
#1 /// Standard-sized bars with SCS
+ Standard-sized bars, 24x22 minus 1.5” for SCS,
+ Phoenix Smooth SCS with aftermarket 25mm bolts,
+ FSA topcap + compressionbolt
= 1282g (2lb (13.2oz)
#2 /// Oversized bars with HIC (alu HIC adapter)
+ Oversized bars, 24x22 full-height for HIC
+ TSI’s HIC adapter, 54mm, aluminium,
+ FSA topcap + compressionbolt
+ Proto Half Knuckle,
cause half knux are the best (and sorry Helmeri,
but fuck district clamps ‘cause their threads strip).
= 1376g (3lb 0.5oz)
#3 /// Oversized bars with HIC (crmo4130 HIC adapter)
Same shit as in #2 but instead
of TSI’s aluminium adapter there’s
the homemade 44mm chrmo4130 HIC adapter.
= 1404g (3lb 1.5oz)
#4 /// Oversized with SCS (!!!)
+ Oversized bars 24x22, raw
+ minus 1.5” for SCS (1220g - 46g = 1174g)
+ Tilt SCS (1 3/8” compatible; without adapter)
+ FSA topcap + compressionbolt
= 1392g (3lb 1.1oz)
The oversized bars with SCS (#4) weight lies between #2 and #3.
______________________________________________________
CONCLUSION:
So you see, not only having standard-sized bars with SCS is lighter than having oversized bars with HIC, but even oversized bars with SCS are basicly in the same weight ratio as oversized bars w/ HIC systems based on Half Knuckles. HIC bars usually have a notch at the bottom of the bars (HIC, ICS and stock bars usually tend to crack at the bottom if a fair amount of gnarliness is applied, eventually happens to every bar that has a notch) and SCS clamps eliminate the notch-cracking issue. Thus: if you’re choosing between SCS and HIC compressions, choose SCS and your bars will last a ton longer, for-fucking-ever.
The only thing you SHOULD choose between is that either if you’re using a standard-sized tube or an oversized bar, because oversized bars (since they are a heavier by 6%) may help with the weight-ratio by distributing the overall weight of your scooter if you’re using a heavier deck (such as a Stan Smirnoff sig. deck) or whatever, depending on your taste.
BOTTOM LINE:
research proves that even if you’re using oversized bars, you should choose SCS instead of HIC cause’ the weight diffirence is slim-to-none and because SCS eliminates the cracking issue due to notches.
-mk"
Props to Madis for going through the trouble to do this.
