i dont know what you want to call them but i 've been trying them with no success off a kicker. i have bri flips easy but cant figure these out. i try them were u let go with one hand. i feel like i need to kick to get some momentum but no matter how close my toes are to the edge i cant get my feet off. and if i dont kick back then its slow and i have no control. if any one has any tips at all on this trick that may help me let me know. thanks