Presidental Debate.

humpurple kushiones

Steel Member
Anthony, capitalism is not a system where everyone wins, never was and never will be

thats why we need to amend it to make sure everyone that wants a chance at least has one. you just said not everyone wins as if we should accept it. we shouldnt. as a human being i care about other human beings and not just my own wallet. what you just said sounds self centered as fuck.
 

Nick Griffin <3

Steel Member
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also the most popular post to ever be on tumblr is "mitt romney sucks pass it on" it has almost 9 million notes. i just thought that was funny.
 

Bennett_J

Steel Member
he hasn't fully implemented free health care, and bush took out sadaam yet you still hate him?
free health care, as a country centered around limited government, is not what we need, freedom isn't about the government dictating your life.

"Obamacare" as some put it is not fully in effect as the legislation hasn't reached its "start date" for lack of a better term. Legislation is not something that comes into effect right away, typically laws are made a year or two before they take effect to allow crosschecking of legality, constitutionality, and other things which could make or break a law.

Regarding the Osama vs. Sadaam, Neither Bush nor Obama pulled the fucking trigger, they simply gave orders based on information compiled by various security agencies. They didn't do ----- stop putting it on them. More so, Sadaam and Iraq were pointless, it was known no WMDs were present, we were playing world police as we ever so often do and seriously fucked up that country worse than it was before. Not two years after we fully withdraw (which we won't, because we are imperialist scum), the country will go to shit (ex. Somalia). With Osama, our raid technically was an act of war with pakistan, also Obama is moving in on Iran (helping Israel). Both Bush and Obama are tearing shit apart in the middle east and not giving but one shit about nation's sovereignty.

free health care, as a country centered around limited government, is not what we need, freedom isn't about the government dictating your life.

To start, this made no sense grammatically, that aside the republican party coasts on the idea of "small government" and "freedom" when in fact they are the ones slowly stripping American citizens of their rights. ACTA, SOPA, The War on Drugs, Fighting Gay-Marriage, Anti-Islamic sentiments, Anti-Judaic sentiments, Fighting the right to abortion, Fighting up to date science in schools, Fighting laws that police the police, and Fighting critical thinking are just some things that the Republican party does in the name of "freedom" and "small government". The other half of their platform involves taking money from corporations and making choices based off whichever big company pays the most. Its fucking bull----- the democrats would love to see a larger more helpful government, this is known, but what ignorant people always seem to forget (or not know, thanks fox news!) is that the laws that make the government bigger and the higher taxes are actually things that improve everything. See Scandinavian countries, they have the highest happiness rates, instead of students paying the government absurd amounts of money for college- the students are PAID to attend school. The overall society is more secular and simply performs better. To explain why we need to shift our mindset to such things would take hundreds of pages, each filled with facts.

You're 100% right that freedom isn't about government dictating your rights, which is why I am fucking baffled at your support for the Republican/Conservative mindset. It has literally crippled our country into debt, in the next 10 years certain economists and mathematicians have predicted a pop in our debt, which will break the chinese economy and send the entire world into a depression of likes we have never seen. Keep supporting the republicans man, its great, they "Don't like regulation", even though they seem to do a damn good bit of it with just about everything. If you keep hearing that shit it becomes all you know and believe, which is sad. There is a reason that the majority of conservative voters have not graduated college, its because they are too fucking blind to see what lays ahead. The GOP is committing voter fraud in literally every state to try and get ahead, cheating to win shows something, that their time is over. How and why people choose to vote for the Republicans has always baffled me, those who vote conservative typically would receive more tax cuts, wage increases, and basic life additions under proposed democratic legislation, yet they choose to vote for a party that says "We'll tax ya less" but proceeds to actually tax them more, doesn't listen to anything they say or ask for (not democracy), and the voters are herded like sheep to vote. Its fucking pathetic.



If you honestly think that Romney, or the GOP in general will give you rights or freedom, you are so ass backwards in your logic it is depressing. (Not to Ben, I talk in general statements- this is an example)


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Bennett_J

Steel Member
Obama care is a joke my parents have to pay for peoples insurance that dont even pay taxes or have a job

... and here goes my day of drinking and homeworking.

You do realize that the 47% who don't pay taxes are essentially all elderly and paid taxes their entire life, the other groups in that are the: Illegal immigrants (don't receive anything, contrary to whatever you have been told), and those who make less than $18,500 with 4 people in one household. So yeah, you're totally paying for some lazy scum. Because fuck the elderly, just because they paid taxes for 60 years doesn't entitle them to live off the social security they paid when they were working. Your parents aren't paying for jack ----- the tax increase on Romney-care is actually higher per person nationally by ~$150. Sometimes the math and facts hurt. (Also- those 47% of lazy shits are all in heavily conservative states- keep whining Romney, the data just makes you out to be so damn intelligent).


Heres another one that might fuck your mind: If you are not the following- good luck getting on welfare:

13-18 years old + Female + With child/Pregnant + living with a legal adult who is in good legal standing + you must be in good legal standing.

Also, an individual cannot stay on welfare for more than 5 years, the amount given to you in food stamps and aid is only enough for 2 people (meant for children, not actually for the parents). So yeah, you're basically paying for everyone, because a limit of 5 years and two meals/family a day is so freaking much to give. It also helps that if you have a nice dangley bit hanging from your groin you most likely will never be approved for welfare.


The amount of ignorance in those who vote conservatively is absurd.

Things that Romney believes in/has done:
laid off thousands of workers as head of the investment company Bain Capital.
set up shell companies in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda to avoid U.S. taxes.
calls Obama’s payroll tax cut that would save middle class/lower income families $1,500 a year “temporary little band aids.”
plan for a “middle class tax cut” would provide zero benefits to 73.9 percent of the middle class.
called for taxes on the poor, saying low-income Americans having no income tax liability is “a problem” that will “kill the country.”
would repeal the Dodd-Frank bill, which regulates the risky practices that led to the 2008 crisis.
said he wants to “get the federal government out of education”
As governor, vetoed a minimum wage increase to $8 an hour.
said he “cannot see that a Cabinet position would be justified” for an American Muslim.
opposes troop withdrawal from Iraq.
said that catching bin Laden would be “insignificant” and it’s “not worth moving heaven and earth.”
supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
supports penalties for doctors who perform an abortion.
would “absolutely” support a state constitutional amendment to define life as beginning at conception, which would restrict women’s right to an abortion.
pledged to expand a Bush-Era policy of permitting doctors to deny women access to contraceptives.
drafted a bill to exempt a religious group from nondiscrimination rules, allowing it to ban gay couples from adopting children.
refused to condemn the booing of a gay soldier at a GOP debate.
blamed pornography for the Virginia Tech shooting. (WTF?)
first act as president would be to allow all states to opt out of health reform through executive action, which would be illegal.
feels Americans’ pain because he’s “also unemployed.” Romney was worth $250 million in 2008.
“loves” george bush
thinks windows in airplanes should open
believes that rapists should have parental rights over children resulting from the rape they committed.
 

ztkAZ

Member
Obama has made out country go to shit even more. i do not care if he has made Obama care. Thats the only thing he did in 4 years. Plus all Obama has done this whole election is make lies up about Romney. They are both bull----- but i would choose Romney over Obama any day. He actually seems to know what he is talking about while Obama could barley answer any questions. So anyone say Romney is a moron, check yourself.

Things that Romney believes in/has done:
laid off thousands of workers as head of the investment company Bain Capital.
set up shell companies in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda to avoid U.S. taxes.
calls Obama’s payroll tax cut that would save middle class/lower income families $1,500 a year “temporary little band aids.”
plan for a “middle class tax cut” would provide zero benefits to 73.9 percent of the middle class.
called for taxes on the poor, saying low-income Americans having no income tax liability is “a problem” that will “kill the country.”
would repeal the Dodd-Frank bill, which regulates the risky practices that led to the 2008 crisis.
said he wants to “get the federal government out of education”
As governor, vetoed a minimum wage increase to $8 an hour.
said he “cannot see that a Cabinet position would be justified” for an American Muslim.
opposes troop withdrawal from Iraq.
said that catching bin Laden would be “insignificant” and it’s “not worth moving heaven and earth.”
supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
supports penalties for doctors who perform an abortion.
would “absolutely” support a state constitutional amendment to define life as beginning at conception, which would restrict women’s right to an abortion.
pledged to expand a Bush-Era policy of permitting doctors to deny women access to contraceptives.
drafted a bill to exempt a religious group from nondiscrimination rules, allowing it to ban gay couples from adopting children.
refused to condemn the booing of a gay soldier at a GOP debate.
blamed pornography for the Virginia Tech shooting. (WTF?)
first act as president would be to allow all states to opt out of health reform through executive action, which would be illegal.
feels Americans’ pain because he’s “also unemployed.” Romney was worth $250 million in 2008.
“loves” george bush
thinks windows in airplanes should open
believes that rapists should have parental rights over children resulting from the rape they committed.

Half of the stuff you just stated, Either isn't true or an opinion. Romney supports gays unlike what you said. Killing bin laden had no point whats so ever. Abortion should not be legal. and so on.
 

William Juniper

Steel Member
Both made good points.... Im only 14 but I still politics more than most 14 year olds.
Romney made better points in this debate...
 

Travis House

Wu-Tang Master
Staff member
Watched it and was totally unimpressed with both sides. For once Canadian politics is more exciting
 

Bennett_J

Steel Member
Obama has made out country go to shit even more. i do not care if he has made Obama care. Thats the only thing he did in 4 years. Plus all Obama has done this whole election is make lies up about Romney. They are both bull----- but i would choose Romney over Obama any day. He actually seems to know what he is talking about while Obama could barley answer any questions. So anyone say Romney is a moron, check yourself.



Half of the stuff you just stated, Either isn't true or an opinion. Romney supports gays unlike what you said. Killing bin laden had no point whats so ever. Abortion should not be legal. and so on.

I didn't actually state that, it was copied and pasted from tumblr (in relation to what nick said earlier), it had a good bit of notes and a little bit over near all of it is true. You might want to learn a little bit more about the man then this campaign speechs and television ads.

Also Obama has done the following:

Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5

Created the post of Chief Performance Officer, whose job it is to make operations more efficient to save the federal government money. http://n.pr/hcgBn1

On his first full day, he froze White House salaries. http://on.msnbc.com/ewJUIx

He appointed the first Federal Chief Information Officer to oversee federal IT spending. http://www.cio.gov

Through an executive order, he created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. http://bit.ly/hwKhKa

Pushed through and signed the Democratic-sponsored American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, otherwise known as “the stimulus package.” The bill passed, even though only three Republicans voted for it. In a major departure from the previous administration, he launched recovery.gov, a website that allows taxpayers to track spending from the Act. http://1.usa.gov/ibiFSs http://1.usa.gov/e3BJMk

Issued an Executive Order on Presidential Records, which restored the 30-day time frame for former presidents to review records, and eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews. Provides the public with greater access to historic White House documents, and severely curtails the ability to use executive privilege to shield them. http://1.usa.gov/gUetLb

Improved aspects of the Freedom of Information Act, and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent when processing FOIA requests. http://1.usa.gov/gjrnp2

Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money. http://huff.to/eAi9Qq

Fashioned rules so that banks can no longer use your money to invest in high-risk financial instruments that work against their own customers' interests. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Supported the concept of allowing stockholders to vote on executive compensation. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Endorsed and supported the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 that would close offshore tax avoidance loopholes. http://bit.ly/esOdfB http://bit.ly/eG4DPM

Negotiated a deal with Swiss banks that now permits the US government to gain access to the records of criminals and tax evaders. http://bit.ly/htfDgw

Signed the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act, which closed many of the loopholes that allowed companies to send jobs overseas, and avoid paying US taxes by moving money offshore. http://1.usa.gov/bd1RTq

Established a Consumer Protection Financial Bureau designed to protect consumers from financial sector excesses. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Oversaw and then signed a Democratic bill constituting the most sweeping food safety legislation since the Great Depression. http://thedc.com/gxkCtP

Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. http://1.usa.gov/g2RLCj

Appointed more openly gay officials than anyone in history. http://bit.ly/g1lA7D

Appointed first openly transgender Cabinet Official in History. http://bit.ly/58zUp7

Changed HUD rules to prohibit gender and sexual orientation-based discrimination in housing bit.ly/9RxEnP

Changed his mind and publicly expressed support for the right to enter into a same-sex marriage. http://bit.ly/JsiFKp

Issued a Presidential Memorandum reaffirming the rights of gay couples to make medical decisions for each other. http://1.usa.gov/aUueGT

Wrote and signed an Executive Order establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies evaluate the effect of their policies and programs on women and families. http://bit.ly/e1puTk http://1.usa.gov/rFfqMM

Signed the Democratic-sponsored Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. This was after the GOP blocked the bill in 2007. Only 5 Republican Senators voted for the bill. http://bit.ly/fT3Cxg

Expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act. http://1.usa.gov/dSbI0x

Under his guidance, National Labor Relations Board issued final rules that require all employers to prominently post employees' rights where all employees or prospective employees can see it, including websites and intranets, beginning November 2011. http://1.usa.gov/qu2EhQ

Obama EPA improved boiler safety standards to improve air quality, and save 6500 lives per year. http://bit.ly/jYH7nt

Through the EPA, attemped to take steps to severely limit the use of antibiotics in livestock feed, to increase their efficacy in humans. http://bit.ly/fBuWd2

Through new EPA regulations, he created a pretext for closing the dirtiest power plants in the country, by limiting emissions of mercury and other toxic gasses. http://bit.ly/rQCIgA

Increased funding for National Parks and Forests by 10% http://bit.ly/fbJPjY

Announced greatly improved commercial fuel efficiency standards. http://1.usa.gov/oQiC1K

Announced a huge increase in average fuel economy standards from 27.5mpg in 2010 to 35.5mpg starting in 2016 and 54.5 starting in 2025 http://1.usa.gov/qtghsW

Expanded trade agreements to include stricter labor and environmental agreements such as NAFTA. http://bit.ly/etznpY

Oversaw funding of the design of a new Smithsonian National Museum of African American History, which is scheduled to open on the National Mall in 2015. He protected the funding during the recent budget negotiations. http://on.fb.me/fD0EVO http://bit.ly/ff5Luv

Oversaw and passed increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. http://bit.ly/dFb8qF

Nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Sotomayor is the first Hispanic Justice in the court’s history, and the women represent only the third and fourth women to serve on the court, out of a total of 112 justices. http://huff.to/eOChg6 http://bit.ly/i02wgP

Appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history, including more women than any other incoming president. http://bit.ly/dX6vNB

Eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education, and rescinded the global gag rule. http://bit.ly/eCFAI1 http://bit.ly/f92drF

Loosened the rules and allowed the 14 states that legalized medical marijuana to regulate themselves without federal interference. http://huff.to/eQfa7j

Signed national service legislation, increasing funding for national service groups, including triple the size of the Americorps program. http://bit.ly/idgQH5

Signed an Executive Order that will speed up deployment of a more comprehensive broadband infrastructure. http://1.usa.gov/M7rVpe

Signed an Executive Order creating jobs immediately by instructing them to reduce the time needed for review and permitting of infrastructure projects. http://1.usa.gov/GHxaYt

Signed a bill that provided $4.3 billion in additional assistance to 9/11 first reponders. http://bit.ly/o7cWYS

Signed an Executive Order pledging support for efforts to end the global problem of violence against women and girls. http://1.usa.gov/MHTRVU

Despite the characterizations of some, Obama’s success rate in winning congressional votes on issues was an unprecedented 96.7% for his first year in office. Though he is often cited as superior to Obama, President Lyndon Johnson’s success rate in 1965 was only 93%. http://n.pr/i3d7cY

(Top search on google: Opinionated, but true)

The country is nowhere near worse off than it was 4 years ago, economically, socially, and over things are better. You do realize that whole bank crisis thing happened right? If the Laissez-faire mentality had persisted nothing would be remotely as nice as it is now. You may see things as the same, or hear complains (which there always are), but that in no way means that things are worse off. There are issues that are vastly important and are essentially ignored by millions because they choose ignorance. Why do you PERSONALLY think that Obama has made things worse?

I would also like to hear those lies about Romney, despite basic political defamation Obama has not done much, Romney uses the tactics too. Saying Obama does it as a weakness doesn't strengthen your Pro-Romney argument,
it actually creates a cyclical thought pattern, where the effect of something is the cause, which is illogical (and impossible; disregarding known quantum mechanics).

As for the debate, Romney's cocky attitude regarding data might have put him off. When the numbers are ACTUALLY analyzed, studied, and reviewed most of the shit Romney says suddenly becomes false. They throw off the voter counts in states, and throw their numbers. #Republican
 

Jordan Jasa

Silver Member
obama is giving more money to help students pay for college, so thats basically why i favor him over romney. romney wants us to "borrow money from your parents." ...like wat
 

Joe Riley

The Gypsy
Staff member
Obama spent more time talking shit on Romney's ideas than expressing his own. He also stated he plans on raising taxes.

Romney is against abortion, not cool. Not a fan of either candidate.
 

ztkAZ

Member
Obama spent more time talking shit on Romney's ideas than expressing his own. He also stated he plans on raising taxes.

Romney is against abortion, not cool. Not a fan of either candidate.

Abortion should be illegal, to me. Its murder.
 

Bennett_J

Steel Member
Obama spent more time talking shit on Romney's ideas than expressing his own. He also stated he plans on raising taxes.

Romney is against abortion, not cool. Not a fan of either candidate.

Well he can talk ----- Romney's data and facts all come from fabricated numbers; the vast majority of ideas he proposes don't really end up working with a politics-logic approach. I wish Obama would voice his opinons on other issues than the mainstream ones, but he wont. The election is already in the bag and he doesn't give two shits.


As for Zach, why is it murder? I'm not trying to be an -------- but critical thinking on issues like these can lead to an enlightenment for lack of a better word.
 

Rob.

Admin
Staff member
Abortion should be illegal, to me. Its murder.

Do you have a uterus? Then your opinion does NOT matter on the subject. If you don't like abortions, then don't get one. You shouldn't feel the right to decide what others do with their own bodies.

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Bennett_J

Steel Member
Rob thank you, I've been too lazy to see or argue that the republican said no to literally everything then blamed Obama for the reprocess ions. Effect =/= cause GOP

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ztkAZ

Member
Do you have a uterus? Then your opinion does NOT matter on the subject. If you don't like abortions, then don't get one. You shouldn't feel the right to decide what others do with their own bodies.

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My opinion does matter because I live in this country and I have the right to voice it. Abortion is murder and should be illegal. Just cause I am a male doesn't mean shit.
 
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