I use these grips and I had my first for now 4 years and just bought new one the day before I drove to Montreux, and I use my old ones sometimes, but I cant do Scooterflips with them cause there is too less grip, but enought for doing oll the other tricks, you would say scooterflip->grip, is he crasy ,,, no as I did scooterflip it turned out of my hand and flew trought the park,... nice.. ore??? :!