stan your being unreasonable, retro style bars have the best design that can also reduce weight as long as the cross bar is beefy like C4's .120, but i'm not saying raderalls suck dick either. I wouldn't mind riding them if i got pair, it's just that they "T-bars" are the best design for not being so heavy, and very few companies have legit "t-bars" let alone aluminum ones. Except for those solid alu-onepieces which are going to be sick. And you don't need to preach to me about being a weight freak too, threaded inward and onepieces are what i ride... for now.