Should I Get A T3i ? ? ? Please Help

ChrisBrown

Steel Member
Hey, well my mom is going to buy me a new camera for christmas and i really want a nice T3i, well at a local camera store the body and lens is 850$ New and i was wondring if it's worth it , and if it is a good price. Is it a good choice for a new camera?
 

christianewing

Steel Member
Sounds like a decent price. But a scooter forum with a bunch of little kids on it is not the place to be asking about $850 camera's.
 

Mikey G

Member
Personally, my mom owns and I use a Canon Rebel T2i (550D i believe) and I've used a T3i before and unless you're gonna be using the camera for giant crowd shots, or use a handle that completely blocks he viewfinder for filming, there's not a real big improvement.
 

TomK

Super Moderator
Staff member
I could type pages about why you shouldn't get a DSLR for filming, but I will hold myself back.
 

TomK

Super Moderator
Staff member
typing this on my phone, so it will probably be short and sweet.

1. The quality is good, yes, but most dslrs have one CMOS chip as apposed to the 3 CMOS or 3CCD's of most good video cameras. Thus, DSLR's will have less dynamic colors and are not able to pick up colors as accurately. The censors are smaller, so the lowlight performance is much worse.

2. Lens options are very limited. Yes, DSLRs have lots of lenses, but for filming scootering/skating, you need a fisheye, and DSLRs have very few fisheye options.

3. The audio is terrible. the stock mics on DSLRs are absolutely terrible. The audio sounds harsh and scratchy and you need magic lantern or something like it to get even acceptable quality audio.

4. Battery life. The battery life on DSLRs is horrible. Even with an extended battery the camera overheats and has to be shut off. I know t2i's are especially prone to overheating while filming for a long time.

5. Overall the comfort of filming with a DSLR is not good. They are not well balanced and they are very uncomfortable to hold and shaky when filming lines.

6. DSLRs lack a lot of setting that camcorders have, such as steady shot and ND Filters.

So overall when you get a DSLR the initial cost is only about half of what you will need to spend to get a decent setup. They are money pits.
 

Blake

Steel Member
typing this on my phone, so it will probably be short and sweet.

1. The quality is good, yes, but most dslrs have one CMOS chip as apposed to the 3 CMOS or 3CCD's of most good video cameras. Thus, DSLR's will have less dynamic colors and are not able to pick up colors as accurately. The censors are smaller, so the lowlight performance is much worse.

2. Lens options are very limited. Yes, DSLRs have lots of lenses, but for filming scootering/skating, you need a fisheye, and DSLRs have very few fisheye options.

3. The audio is terrible. the stock mics on DSLRs are absolutely terrible. The audio sounds harsh and scratchy and you need magic lantern or something like it to get even acceptable quality audio.

4. Battery life. The battery life on DSLRs is horrible. Even with an extended battery the camera overheats and has to be shut off. I know t2i's are especially prone to overheating while filming for a long time.

5. Overall the comfort of filming with a DSLR is not good. They are not well balanced and they are very uncomfortable to hold and shaky when filming lines.

6. DSLRs lack a lot of setting that camcorders have, such as steady shot and ND Filters.

So overall when you get a DSLR the initial cost is only about half of what you will need to spend to get a decent setup. They are money pits.

Yes, fisheyes are not as readibly available as they are for camcorders. They are also much more expensive.

The audio on a DSLR compared to a lower end camcorder will be similar, but from my experience a camcorder MAY pick up less windnoise and experience less hiss when recording silence. Although the downfall with most inbuilt mics on camcorders that use tapes is, that the microphone may pick up the tape motor (At least from my experience). DSLR's have AGC (Auto Gain Control) which automatically adjusts the microphones audio levels depending on how much sound is being picked up. Magic Lantern disables this and is also able to be disabled in the Canon 60ds latest firmware.

From my experience, my camcorder battery only used to last about 2 hours due to how old and used it was. My camcorder btw was just a canon MV800i. Other batteries would last longer, I know. My 60d battery lasts easily a day of shooting but the more you use and recharge batteries the shorter their life becomes. And of course, when you are recording video the battery dies faster. As well as shooting in cooler conditions. And yes they do overheat if you film for too long. But this really shouldn't worry you. You also can only film for 12 minutes until recording has stopped on a DSLR.

I agree, filming with a dslr is ALOT harder than with a camcorder. That's why there are many rigs out there to film with. Focus is also an issue because most DSLRs that shoot video do not autofocus during recording. It is full manual focus. Filming lines is ALOT harder than with a camcorder of any sort.

I'm not sure what you mean by ND filters, because you can certainly get ND filters for DSLR's that screw onto the lens. And yes steadyshot is not an option imbedded into the actual camera itself but certain lenses do have IS/VC/VR which is basically the same thing.

The main reason people use DSLRs is the wonderful bokeh that is able to be achieved by using a DSLR, which cannot be achieved with camcorders under around $50,000. But if your looking to get really artsy and are willing to spend more than you think you will. Get a DSLR for filming.

PS - I think the OP was wanting this for stills. Is this true or were you wondering about stills and video?
 

Zach!

Steel Member
not going to lie dslr audio sucks haha and there not really fun to film with but the footage they produce is just so damn nice that its worth it. im actually currently saving up to buying a SD setup soon cause i miss having one
 

TomK

Super Moderator
Staff member
Yes, fisheyes are not as readibly available as they are for camcorders. They are also much more expensive.

The audio on a DSLR compared to a lower end camcorder will be similar, but from my experience a camcorder MAY pick up less windnoise and experience less hiss when recording silence. Although the downfall with most inbuilt mics on camcorders that use tapes is, that the microphone may pick up the tape motor (At least from my experience). DSLR's have AGC (Auto Gain Control) which automatically adjusts the microphones audio levels depending on how much sound is being picked up. Magic Lantern disables this and is also able to be disabled in the Canon 60ds latest firmware.

From my experience, my camcorder battery only used to last about 2 hours due to how old and used it was. My camcorder btw was just a canon MV800i. Other batteries would last longer, I know. My 60d battery lasts easily a day of shooting but the more you use and recharge batteries the shorter their life becomes. And of course, when you are recording video the battery dies faster. As well as shooting in cooler conditions. And yes they do overheat if you film for too long. But this really shouldn't worry you. You also can only film for 12 minutes until recording has stopped on a DSLR.

I agree, filming with a dslr is ALOT harder than with a camcorder. That's why there are many rigs out there to film with. Focus is also an issue because most DSLRs that shoot video do not autofocus during recording. It is full manual focus. Filming lines is ALOT harder than with a camcorder of any sort.

I'm not sure what you mean by ND filters, because you can certainly get ND filters for DSLR's that screw onto the lens. And yes steadyshot is not an option imbedded into the actual camera itself but certain lenses do have IS/VC/VR which is basically the same thing.

The main reason people use DSLRs is the wonderful bokeh that is able to be achieved by using a DSLR, which cannot be achieved with camcorders under around $50,000. But if your looking to get really artsy and are willing to spend more than you think you will. Get a DSLR for filming.

PS - I think the OP was wanting this for stills. Is this true or were you wondering about stills and video?

You talk about AGC like is a good thing. It makes your audio too soft at some points and too loud at others and it overall never works as good as manual audio will. Also I mean Neutral Density filter by ND filter, and yes DSLRs have it so you can screw them on, but lots of camcorders have them built inside the camcorder itself. And Manual focus isn't what makes the lines or any shots difficult, any good filmer will be using manual focus anyway, it is the feel of a DSLR. Even with all the rigs and stuff DSLRs never feel as good to film with. And when I say the batteries die fast, I mean when filming, nothing I am saying has anything to do with taking pictures, I am simply comparing DSLRs to camcorders. And yes, DSLRs can shoot amazing quality, but quality isn't everything. The colors and motion are never picked up as well on DSLR sensors, never.
 

Blake

Steel Member
You talk about AGC like is a good thing. It makes your audio too soft at some points and too loud at others and it overall never works as good as manual audio will. Also I mean Neutral Density filter by ND filter, and yes DSLRs have it so you can screw them on, but lots of camcorders have them built inside the camcorder itself. And Manual focus isn't what makes the lines or any shots difficult, any good filmer will be using manual focus anyway, it is the feel of a DSLR. Even with all the rigs and stuff DSLRs never feel as good to film with. And when I say the batteries die fast, I mean when filming, nothing I am saying has anything to do with taking pictures, I am simply comparing DSLRs to camcorders. And yes, DSLRs can shoot amazing quality, but quality isn't everything. The colors and motion are never picked up as well on DSLR sensors, never.

Yeah I wasn't meaning it that way. It's best to record without if possible. Magic Lantern makes it possible. And MF doesn't really make it difficult it just makes to more time consuming for anyone that thinks it would be as simple as turning the camera on and pressing the record button, they would get a shock.
 

ChrisBrown

Steel Member
guys guys, i ment shouldi buy a t3i for photography, not filming. I'm sure I'll film a few things here and there with it, but i have another camera set up for filming . But thanks guys for the advice!
 

Tyler P

Bronze member
Sorry for the bump but my question is not worth a new thread.

So I'm a beginner photographer, I've been taking pictures with my friends cannon dslr and I love it. I want to seriously start getting into photography and was looking at getting a cannon rebel t3. Would this be a good choice? I want something that will last and I can keep using as my skill/wants increase. Help? Thanks.
 
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