were fucked.

[Bennett_J]

It is december 8th

 

[humpurple kushiones]

Alright, Im gonna sound like Adam here, but if theres a SECRET society within the Free Masons, of course they would deny it. If they came out and juist said "oh hey guys, were the illuminati. We want to control everything you do." It would cause mass hysteria. And thats what Im trying to say, we will never know if theres even any truth behind this.

Theres no set evidence so i understand why you dont believe it, but at the same time theres a lot of coincidences and shit from history so that why some people believe it, or just think it could be possible. Just cause someone believes something, doesnt mean its gonna happen.

What Ive been trying to say is that this sounds like total bull----- but CERTAIN PARTS of it seem like there might be something to it. But who am I to say its real? Who are you to say its fake?
Im tired of seeing these threads just turn into a shitfest of people just saying the other people are wrong. This is the kind of subject that cant be proven or disproven, so you kind of need to look at both sides to get a full understanding and pick out the shit and the POSIBILITIES.
Youre posting everything that makes you not believe it, but people could come in here posting stuff that does make them believe. What makes yours so much more credible? Theyre governemnt sites? Doesnt this theory revolve around the government? Your sources arent gonna change a believers mind, and their sources arent gonna change your mind.
Youre a great debater and a smart guy, but sometimes you gotta look at both sides instead of jumping to conclusion and respect other peoples point of views instead of just telling them theyre wrong according to what you found online, because everything they say is also fueled by what they find online.

Thanks, but like i said i would be glad to check out the other side of the debate. Just because something is a possibility doesn't make it worth all the attention, and honestly i feel like this topic is worn out at this point after doing sooooooooo (too) much research on it and finding nothing that can be actual evidence. It's like the yeti myth, theres a bunch of circumstantial stuff, but enough to actually look at it thinking it may have some validity to it? Ehhh not really.

Basically what i do when i want to debunk something, is look at the evidence provided (in this case it was a while back, just a bunch of youtube videos lol) then decide whether or not the evidence would prove something if it were correct, if it's coincidental and open to interpretation, it gets thrown out, if it's something factual and can directly effect the theory if proven/disproven, i take a look at it.

Also, most of the people who believe in the illuminati pretty much believe it (warning, im about to say the r word) religiously. There really is no point in even trying to convince them otherwise. All i can really say to the people who believe this stuff is "got any real evidence?". Id love to take a look at any real evidence someone believing in the illuminati has (if you got some, please share) but coincidental stuff doesn't prove anything so it's not really worth the time to take a look at, what's the point of taking a look at something that wont prove anything?

But im still willing to take a look at anything anyone may have unless you're one of the aussies that are so brain dead and delusional they won't understand how they're wrong anyway.

 

[Scott Trainer]

There are a lot of supposedly recorded documents from the real illuminati hundreds of years ago. People like Galileo. The Illuminati were just a group of people (scientists) who didnt agree with religion and were marked as heretics. Thats the REAL and factual Illuminati.
All the other stuff I mentioned is what the stories have become, one theory is that people of the church started the theories about the NWO to turn everyone against the Illuminati. I have no idea how all the NWO and "anti-christ" stuff started, but there was a real Illuminati. Saying that people believe it religiously made me think of that.

I completely get what your saying and agree, but why not just question the believers and have an actual 2 sided debate instead of just shutting them out instantly? Im not saying it would be good or real evidence, but if you went about this like a normal debate, it could get interesting. You have an intimidation factor on here; youre a great arguer and people dont question it. You could just make shit up and people would probably believe it haha. But you could just debunk one of their points or any point at a time and give them a chance to respond instead of just dismissing the entire thing.
Im not trying to sound like a dick, but if youre gonna keep looking in threads like this, you might as well see what the other side has to say.