whip to bar flat and grinding

[gjdadj]

ok.... i havva learn this^^^^
i can whip clean as, and i can catch it really high off the ground. i've been practicing for ages and going nowhere.... i decided to try whit to X up thinking it'd be easier but it really isnt.
the catch and timing feels fine but i just dont fit it in, it feels like the scoot is at a funny angle and gets stuck mid air
can someone please give me afew tips????

and grinding. i've beebn riding for like 3 years and never even tried grinds, i've disliked them and didnt even bother.
i have this thick steel tube and tent pegs, i put it on the groung nevt to a bike path and peg it in, i can balance the grind fine (except sometimes my back wheel over takes my front) its only hopping onto it that is difficult, if i go quicly i shotgun. i've tried leaning foeward and just faceplanted, and if i go slowly it feels very very akward and sketchy
how can i improve my grinding?
ps: my grind rail has paint on it, does that effect the grinding"? also the pole is about 5 ft long, too long?

 

[gjdadj]

hello????

 

[Ben.]

just huck the bar. and for grinding try get on top of the rail and keep your weight central.

 

[gjdadj]

if i huck it it goes everywhere and ends in a stack and as practice for grinding should i be doing it on a box?

 

[Oliver Laver]

try on the ramps first, get a feel for it until u can do it, then try doing it on a smaller ramp then flat (or even off a small set of stairs). for grinding just keep your weight central, its gonna take some time, so good luck

 

[A-Brad]

if you can whip catch really well try to whip catch, x-up and x-ride... just to get the idea of starting to turn your bars after the whip. i think i have really unorthodox ways of learning but it makes sense and will help. once you get those down you just have to throw a bar sometime. im assuming you can whip to late bar off a kicker, etc?

you'll end up doing a whip late bar and try to catch the bar while its hitting the groud, it will be awkward, but you'll get better and eventually be able to catch the bar before you hit the ground.

for grinds: somebody else just asked in a different thread. the paint on your rail doesnt matter unless you cant slide. but go faster and lean forward then just practice more

 

[benjiiscool]

When I first learned whip bars I learned them going as slow as I could without falling. Then throw the whip but mostly concentrate on the bar. In the beginning the bar will spin completely on the ground but you will land it because you're going slow. Then practice until you can catch the bar spin

 

[TomGeorge]

Get bars down really late, like so fast that if you were filming you wouldn't see it. When you catch the whip, jump nice and high but do not pull up on the catch like you normally would.

 

[gjdadj]

thanx guys, just another question, my grind bar is a 2cm thick steel bar and i basicly wedge it into a gutter and use the gutter to help me balance when grinding, i basicly lean into it, bad habbit? and it wobbles abit, will that effect the grind? what can i do about it? thanks

 

[Arnor Smari]

I just learned whip bars on flat the other day and I found that you can kinda learn the timing on the barspin by doing a no footer to barspin first

 

[Joe Riley]

Don't jump your highest and don't throw the fastest whip in the world. Just throw a normal whip and get used to throwing the bar as soon as you have both feet back on the deck.

 

[Sockz]

landed my first whip to bar last night and i realized its easier if you dont try so hard on the tricks just like let them both flow

 

[KieranPeterson]

Sounds like maybe you catch front foot? That how I catch my whips and I gave up on whip to bar flat a long time ago.

 

[gjdadj]

i catch with both my feet and land with my toes pointing left, but i start in ski.... strange i know but i do it clean and easy

 

[Robert]

because you cant land in ski^

 

[MattThomMakesMeWarmInside]

If you can bar a centimeter off the ground and know how to late bar, and you can catch a whip a foot above the ground, you can whip to bar flat. You don't chuck the bars do you? If you "bus drive" bars and for each trick you treat them like 2 separate tricks, it's really easy. Just don't over think it, practice throwing the bars really quick after the whip while keeping control and you'll master them in no time. Just be patient and practice them slow and on a mostly flat surface. That'll help also.

Edit: do you insist on starting your whips ski? I usually ride with my one foot totally on the deck and my toe behind it, but I found it way easier to take a few minutes to learn how to start 3's and whips starting with toes pointed (goofy for me).

 

[gjdadj]

i've ridden ski for 3 years... a hard habbit to break but i can actually do stuff pretty well in it so i don't see why its a problem. and i'm used to chucking bars but i can do both, witch is better?

 

[instinctscooter]

make sure you have caught the whips properly before throwing your bars as that will make your scooter fly out. hope i helped and your 2 foot catch should make it easier.

 

[MattThomMakesMeWarmInside]

i've ridden ski for 3 years... a hard habbit to break but i can actually do stuff pretty well in it so i don't see why its a problem. and i'm used to chucking bars but i can do both, witch is better?

I'm sure it's tough, but it'd probably be to your benefit to not ride ski to start a whip. I used to sex change on whips and it worked for me. I could catch them just as well as everyone else, etc. and it was almost impossible for me not to do it. I went through some simple fundamentals and screwed up my style for a couple weeks until I mastered not doing it anymore. My whips while they were already clean got better and easier. Of course, sex changing and ski to toes are not the same, so who is to say. I'm not telling you how to ride, I just think it might help you.

Guiding the bars is definitely a lot easier than throwing them, because it allows for more control. It may be easier to release the bars by throwing them as soon as you catch the whip but it makes for a sloppy landing/the scooter flies out (usually.) Just whip and catch as humanly high as you can without it being awkward, then as soon as you catch the deck, treat it as though it were like a late bar and guide it hard to your other hand 60-75 percent of the way. ("Bus Drive it")

 

[GMscoot]

For grinds get your deck flat on the rail.

This really helped me