thanx for all the helpful replys. and Kieran no hard feelings about the smack talking.yr cool. in fact thats one of the things that make this forum great. you guys really go at each other sometimes. me and my son read alot of these threads and roll laughing.i just dont care for when people get down right mean,those threads arent funny, just sad. thanx for weighing in Thom Cat ,scootering reminds me of the way bmx was in the 80's when the riders had more personality imo.