farmboy uk
Steel Member
Matt Dibble said:
If its easier then push the boundaries further and its just as impressive, people say its easy but if you show them a flipwhip they are like %-6
has jesse taken it to far??????
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If its easier then push the boundaries further and its just as impressive, people say its easy but if you show them a flipwhip they are like %-6
the_SD_local
I own SR.
I have given this a lot of thought in the past which is why I am more focused on expanding the sport now then progressing the sport. Think about all the mainstream sports out there today. What makes them exciting? Seeing people do things that have never been done before but in this sport everyone is trying to be the first to do everything using the publicity of other extreme sports as a role model. The reason other sports have gained soo much publicity is because the public got to witness their progression live through out the years. With scootering all the progression is underground so even if it ever does make it to a mainstream level half the tricks are already going to be played out. You will never hear an announcer on the X-Games screaming at the top of his lungs getting the crowd all worked up because someone just landed the first flip double whip to late bar because it has already been done.
I think too many of you are just trying to rush this sport instead of just having fun with it and letting it grow on it's own. If you do all the best of the best tricks now there will be nothing left to get crowds amped up if it ever does go mainstream and then it will be very short lived.
I admire people like Jesse because he really is incredible but there is no reason to be right now... save it for the public eye when the time comes. It is like showing your hand in a game of poker... even if you have a good hand you already gave it away...
I think too many of you are just trying to rush this sport instead of just having fun with it and letting it grow on it's own. If you do all the best of the best tricks now there will be nothing left to get crowds amped up if it ever does go mainstream and then it will be very short lived.
I admire people like Jesse because he really is incredible but there is no reason to be right now... save it for the public eye when the time comes. It is like showing your hand in a game of poker... even if you have a good hand you already gave it away...
i agree and disagree with you there Andrew...
I agree that people have to be patient about the sport and we should wait for it to grow, but I think there is always going to be a trick that no one has done before, if someone lands a double backflip, than you have to land a triple.. you can never land all the tricks because there is an endless supply of tricks
I agree that people have to be patient about the sport and we should wait for it to grow, but I think there is always going to be a trick that no one has done before, if someone lands a double backflip, than you have to land a triple.. you can never land all the tricks because there is an endless supply of tricks
farmboy uk
Steel Member
perfectly explained gary
scooterphil
Member
When ryan Guetller does his normal run in trails(360 drop in, 720,dub whip and fronty, not always in that order)the_SD_local said:
The crowd will still go OFF..even though they have seen it many times befor..Most big tricks dont always lose there rating..If someone has already seen a flip dub whip to late bar..Doesnt mean that the next time they see it there reaction will be "Pfft"..
I think i am posting on the right thing !dodge
Jake Carlyon
Steel Member
Andrew's point is very good, but say Jesse as an example since everyone else is lol. Whats stopping him from flip tripplewhip to late bar, or throwign the flip dubwhip to late bar over a spine? The more he keeps riding the bigger he will be able to go, scooters have ALOT more progression left.
I think that because scooters are thought of as an easy sport, to gain respect guys must be throwing down big tricks for people to say "wow, that was pretty awesome!" Because if they see someone just throwing down average tricks like doublewhips and barspins and such, they will think yeeah, that musnt be very hard. So imo, scooters MAY be the easiest sport to start taking up, but one of the harder ones to keep going with.
I think that because scooters are thought of as an easy sport, to gain respect guys must be throwing down big tricks for people to say "wow, that was pretty awesome!" Because if they see someone just throwing down average tricks like doublewhips and barspins and such, they will think yeeah, that musnt be very hard. So imo, scooters MAY be the easiest sport to start taking up, but one of the harder ones to keep going with.
Pete Pachota
Member
Maybe everyone should just switch to riding steel scooters? lol
But seriously, I think that there will always be many ways of progression. One of them is that even Jesse or Terry dont go half as big as pro bikers, and there are still terrains like dirt or vert where there's hardly any scootering.
I dont think that Jesse and the others like push themselves to go bigger and bigger just to be the best, I think that this is their way of having fun. Theyre not like Dave Mirra who 'trains' to be the best and win the X-games (he's a literally pro biker, that's his job so we shouldn't blame him).
But seriously, I think that there will always be many ways of progression. One of them is that even Jesse or Terry dont go half as big as pro bikers, and there are still terrains like dirt or vert where there's hardly any scootering.
I dont think that Jesse and the others like push themselves to go bigger and bigger just to be the best, I think that this is their way of having fun. Theyre not like Dave Mirra who 'trains' to be the best and win the X-games (he's a literally pro biker, that's his job so we shouldn't blame him).
We don't need so much dirt, but at least vert. Thats all skateboarding has.
Andrews point is well taken and like what was said, we still need people like Jesse/Terry to even get the sport out there first. I dont think Jesse and Terry should stop going big or even take it down a little.
Andrews point is well taken and like what was said, we still need people like Jesse/Terry to even get the sport out there first. I dont think Jesse and Terry should stop going big or even take it down a little.
brandon kilbury
Super Moderator
i think it would be stupid for anyone to tone down their riding to save it all for a competition, because maybe we all might have seen it before but its still going to be good, and if scooters get into the x games and the first comp has people doing double flips, backflip triple whip to bars, 900s, and other shit that bikes, skateboards, and snowboards couldnt touch when they first strated, well get a lot of respect. and someone mentioned ryan guettler and his runs, i just noticed yesterday that in the past like 2 years all of his runs have been 720s, double whips, 360 whips, frontflips, and backflips. and he still wins...why? because regardless of wether those are the best tricks because their not, theyre some of the best put together in a comp before. thats why nobody would win best trick in bmx with any of those tricks, because they arent the best. anthony napolitan can frontflip double front wheel grab to no hander, and people are starting to get backflip double whips better, but they dont have them consistant to the point where they can throw them in the middle of a run with other tricks good enough for them to win. so i think even if Jesse is doing backflip double to bars and we all know its amazing, wed be just as amazed if he did a run with other great tricks and a backflip single tailwhip to bar or even a backflip double whip.
scooterphil
Member
Precicely man!brandon kilbury said:
Nate Grant
Steel Member
you are a dumb fuc.k. what could possibly make you think that? you are mentally challenged in more ways than we can even comprehend.
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just wanna point something out that kinda made me upset. you guys may not agree about what josh young said, but by no means does that give you the right to tell him to shut the F up. just keep some respect.....
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Tyler Boner said:
just wanna point something out that kinda made me upset. you guys may not agree about what josh young said, but by no means does that give you the right to tell him to shut the F up. just keep some respect.....
brandon kilbury
Super Moderator
yea definitely..dont be dicks about it
the_SD_local said:
dude you're totally contradicting yourself. first you say have fun, then you say wait for media attention?
for many riders, having fun IS learning new tricks. dont try to tell me jesse wasnt proud of himself when he first tried a double flip in a ramp. its not about the public at all, who the hell cares if progression takes place on this website with people posting videos or if its at the australian xgames on espn8? progression is good, no matter how it takes place. if people are learning tricks and having a good time, then theres no reason to try and wait for the "mainstream" to come around and notice it. its not like progression is going to be stop... if it ever does get into the xgames or something like that, the tricks will only be better than they are now. i think we'd all rather see a flip double whip late barspin over a spine in 2 years then onto a box jump like it is now, so why not do your best and keep progressing. if the mainstream ever wants to embrace scootering, then let them, it should NEVER change the way anyone rides.
farmboy uk
Steel Member
yay love you sean
VillageFox
Steel Member
thats what i always thought too. thats one of the resons i think scooters need to be alittle bigger, that and i think razor kinda ruined scootering in a way that ppl look at scooters as a little kids toy. but look at bmx, i remember the vets saying when they were young before bmx took off they got made fun of.the_SD_local said:
brandon kilbury said:
Agree 100% with Brandon. No one rider, should take there riding DOWN...never stop yourself, if you think you can land something, dont tell yourself to wait for a bigger crowd...more people at your park...or anything like that. I speak for a lot of people when i say this, but i know for a fact i dont speak for all. "You Ride For You, Not Anyone Else, And Your Tricks You Land Are Yours, Not Anyone Elses" I know Jesse, hes one of my clostest friends. Hes out there having fun, He is not beating himself up, saying how can i impress the riders on SR now. He is having fun, and in doing so, he happens to be pushing the sport in the process. To tell him or any rider, to not go out and ride to the fullest, and try the tricks they want to try, is kinda ridiculous. Jesse and most of the top riders right now, arent waiting for Mainstream Coverage on scootering..A few of the top guys are out there riding that damn good, because they enjoy it, and they love riding, and learning new tricks. And to Josh, who started the thread. Its really simple to sum up how i feel, and how a lot of others feel about Progression..Not jes in scootering...In Anything...."There Is No Limit"
CodyChirichiello
Steel Member
Agrees with Steven and Brandon 100%. ^5.
scooter4life
Member
i toatally agree with gary nicely nicely put same with andrew