SCOOTER DECK SUPER-THREAD! All your scooter deck questions answered!

Phoenix One

Phoenix One

PHOENIX One
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I just want to give some info that will help educate some of you on design, engineering and manufacturing.

First, Welds are not a weak point on any product, in fact the weld is usually stronger than the metal it is joining together. Unless of course, its a shitty weld, then all bets are off. With Aluminum, post-weld heat treating is a critical step. Look at good quality production bike or motorcycle frames, they all use welds to make up the frame.

CNC Machining a whole deck has got to be unbelievably wasteful and expensive. The Lucky decks look pretty nice and those that have them seem to like. When you assemble the headtube to the downtube (neck) you still basically have a bolted together deck and it is pretty heavy. Also, the Lucky deck does not have a concave top, like the Phoenix and TSI. Concave decks have been proven to add control, just look at the skateboard.

Weight IS important! When you do a Tail Whip, Bri Flip, Finger Whip, etc... you have to use your energy to get the scooter to go where you want it. The heavier the scooter, the more energy it takes to do the trick. Rotational weight around the steering axis is important as a lighter deck will whip faster and with less effort. This is exaggerated when combining multiple tricks in a sequence.

For the record: to Break something is spelled different than when you Brake to slow down. (sorry just a pet peave)

Aluminum is a metal that fatigues faster than most when you flex it. This is why it is so critical to do your homework when designing an aluminum product. In the bike industry, Aluminum frames are known for their stiffness and light weight, 4130 Cro-Moly frames are known for their strength and Fatigue Life and Titanium frames are known for being strong and light with exceptional shock absorption. All of these types of materials have their best applications and the tube sets are engineered with thicker ends(butted tubes) so that the welds have enough material for proper penetration. Because weight is so important on a scooter, Aluminum makes the most sense. 4130 would be stronger without a doubt, but decks would weigh a lot more. Other materials would be even more costly and jack the prices up even more. With Aluminum, engineering is key.


I am not trying to be a dick, but i read the forums and there is a ton of bad information out there.
 
CTRider

CTRider

Member
Phoenix One said:
I just want to give some info that will help educate some of you on design, engineering and manufacturing.

First, Welds are not a weak point on any product, in fact the weld is usually stronger than the metal it is joining together. Unless of course, its a shitty weld, then all bets are off. With Aluminum, post-weld heat treating is a critical step. Look at good quality production bike or motorcycle frames, they all use welds to make up the frame.

CNC Machining a whole deck has got to be unbelievably wasteful and expensive. The Lucky decks look pretty nice and those that have them seem to like. When you assemble the headtube to the downtube (neck) you still basically have a bolted together deck and it is pretty heavy. Also, the Lucky deck does not have a concave top, like the Phoenix and TSI. Concave decks have been proven to add control, just look at the skateboard.

Weight IS important! When you do a Tail Whip, Bri Flip, Finger Whip, etc... you have to use your energy to get the scooter to go where you want it. The heavier the scooter, the more energy it takes to do the trick. Rotational weight around the steering axis is important as a lighter deck will whip faster and with less effort. This is exaggerated when combining multiple tricks in a sequence.

For the record: to Break something is spelled different than when you Brake to slow down. (sorry just a pet peave)

Aluminum is a metal that fatigues faster than most when you flex it. This is why it is so critical to do your homework when designing an aluminum product. In the bike industry, Aluminum frames are known for their stiffness and light weight, 4130 Cro-Moly frames are known for their strength and Fatigue Life and Titanium frames are known for being strong and light with exceptional shock absorption. All of these types of materials have their best applications and the tube sets are engineered with thicker ends(butted tubes) so that the welds have enough material for proper penetration. Because weight is so important on a scooter, Aluminum makes the most sense. 4130 would be stronger without a doubt, but decks would weight a lot more. Other materials would be even more costly and jack the prices up even more. With Aluminum, engineering is key.


I am not trying to be a dick, but i read the forums and there is a ton of bad information out there.
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You've done your homework, makes me want a phoenix even more.
 
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Riley Hughes

Steel Member
Phoenix One said:
I just want to give some info that will help educate some of you on design, engineering and manufacturing.

First, Welds are not a weak point on any product, in fact the weld is usually stronger than the metal it is joining together. Unless of course, its a shitty weld, then all bets are off. With Aluminum, post-weld heat treating is a critical step. Look at good quality production bike or motorcycle frames, they all use welds to make up the frame.

CNC Machining a whole deck has got to be unbelievably wasteful and expensive. The Lucky decks look pretty nice and those that have them seem to like. When you assemble the headtube to the downtube (neck) you still basically have a bolted together deck and it is pretty heavy. Also, the Lucky deck does not have a concave top, like the Phoenix and TSI. Concave decks have been proven to add control, just look at the skateboard.

Weight IS important! When you do a Tail Whip, Bri Flip, Finger Whip, etc... you have to use your energy to get the scooter to go where you want it. The heavier the scooter, the more energy it takes to do the trick. Rotational weight around the steering axis is important as a lighter deck will whip faster and with less effort. This is exaggerated when combining multiple tricks in a sequence.

For the record: to Break something is spelled different than when you Brake to slow down. (sorry just a pet peave)

Aluminum is a metal that fatigues faster than most when you flex it. This is why it is so critical to do your homework when designing an aluminum product. In the bike industry, Aluminum frames are known for their stiffness and light weight, 4130 Cro-Moly frames are known for their strength and Fatigue Life and Titanium frames are known for being strong and light with exceptional shock absorption. All of these types of materials have their best applications and the tube sets are engineered with thicker ends(butted tubes) so that the welds have enough material for proper penetration. Because weight is so important on a scooter, Aluminum makes the most sense. 4130 would be stronger without a doubt, but decks would weight a lot more. Other materials would be even more costly and jack the prices up even more. With Aluminum, engineering is key.


I am not trying to be a dick, but i read the forums and there is a ton of bad information out there.
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legit!
 
Mark Abramsky

Mark Abramsky

Member
this dude makes me wanna get a pheonix
and can somebody from lucky please clarify the headtube angle i kinda wanna know too cuz i ordered one and idk if i should use a pro headtube or an old a
 
Thom Cat

Thom Cat

Silver Member
I have done my home work, first of all let me say this our deck is made to aborb shock, this is critical! and our head tube is reenforced this is CRITICAL!!! you have soooooo much to learn. and our nose piece is welded this is more than critical, it is essential.
 
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Riley Hughes

Steel Member
Thom Cat said:
I have done my home work, first of all let me say this our deck is made to aborb shock, this is critical! and our head tube is reenforced this is CRITICAL!!! you have soooooo much to learn. and our nose piece is welded this is more than critical, it is essential.
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nose piece?
 
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