The reason Pro Models don't have the strip...

[Dustin Nooner]

probably the biggest mistake from Razor..oh well im sure something will come up sooner or later. stay positive guys. josh PM me lets ride soon <3

 

[Callum Ellis]

Well, I assumed it might have been because Razor was going into mass production on the Ultra Pro. So they went back to B deck material to save the Pro Model deck material... I was wrong.

I was informed that the reason for the change was because of some employee's at JD. They get paid to basically try and find ways to produce products for cheaper. They did some "tests" and their "results" say that there was no need for the strip on the bottom of the deck, and if they eliminate that strip, it saves them 27 cents per deck, which is quite a bit in mass production. We told them that since they made the change, decks are bending and snapping faster than ever. And that there are a few design factors as to why it was necessary.

1. When grinding on the rails on the outside of the deck, the drop out rails. Once they grind down it weakens the drop outs where the brake axle is producing the most stress. In turn, after time, the drop out will snap. The strip, helps to not grind the drop out down as fast.

2. Adds support to the middle of the deck. Makes it a lot harder to bend the platform of the deck.


So now you guys know why. I'm doubting there will be another shipment of Pro Models. Considering the Ultra Pro's will be released pretty soon, and Razor may be discontinuing the Pro Models.

a tear just fell from my eye

 

[LukeMaff]

uhhh please dont discontinue. i dont have money for this new ultra pro... its like 200 in australia!

 

[domd]

i just got my pro acouple weeks ago and im almost flot on my dropouts

 

[saltwater]

Well, I assumed it might have been because Razor was going into mass production on the Ultra Pro. So they went back to B deck material to save the Pro Model deck material... I was wrong.

I was informed that the reason for the change was because of some employee's at JD. They get paid to basically try and find ways to produce products for cheaper. They did some "tests" and their "results" say that there was no need for the strip on the bottom of the deck, and if they eliminate that strip, it saves them 27 cents per deck, which is quite a bit in mass production. We told them that since they made the change, decks are bending and snapping faster than ever. And that there are a few design factors as to why it was necessary.

1. When grinding on the rails on the outside of the deck, the drop out rails. Once they grind down it weakens the drop outs where the brake axle is producing the most stress. In turn, after time, the drop out will snap. The strip, helps to not grind the drop out down as fast.

2. Adds support to the middle of the deck. Makes it a lot harder to bend the platform of the deck.


So now you guys know why. I'm doubting there will be another shipment of Pro Models. Considering the Ultra Pro's will be released pretty soon, and Razor may be discontinuing the Pro Models.

Not oly the strip has gone but the thickness has gone done aswell!
On 1 rainy day i decided to compared decks (08 to a 09) and i found that the 09 deck was exactly 100 grams lighter and on some of the sides it was around 0.5 mm (or more) thiner than on a 08 which makes all the difference when shreding hard
I'd seriously pay another $10 just for the 100 grams worth of aluminium!

 

[redline582]

Im gonna kill myself if they discontinue the pro model. Razor really need to get there shit together. They suck, basically.

 

[Biagio.]

this thread makes me want to cry. back to my a1 decks...

 

[JoshToy]

question: how does the length compare to the old pro? Is the distance between the brake bolt and rear axle the same? Also, I saw in a picture of what I think was a tested prototype, it didn't have the fron four bolts that held the plates under the foldy. Will this be in the production model?

No changes in width or length, and the front plate is no longer there, the front of the deck also no longer requires the black plastic cap, they weld it closed with a plate of metal.

Then why are they making the bars so high on the ultra pros if they want to save money.
Just wondering......

That was simply to leave the option to the rider if they like higher/wider bars. They put the "Low" Ultra Pro as an option if kids didn't want to cut down the width or height. Chances are the Low's won't sell much, and they will discontinue them and keep selling the Regulars. Razor is just testing the waters. And another reason for the extra bar hieght/width. Was because they want to supply the riders with a great product and since the sport is so personalized now, this makes it easier for you all. No need to go to a bunch of companies to buy parts, Razor is helping take care of that.

You guys are looking at this all wrong, you see this as negative, when the teams been pushing them to this for a long time. A lot of people at Razor are stubborn when it comes to saving money on designs. So I see this as a great step in the right direction.

i slide faster when it has the strip

That's all in your head, kid. It doesn't make a difference. Besides, what difference would it make when you run a deck that's that thick all the way around on the Ultra Pro.

 

[Dom Marconi]

which means no more snapped decks in the front, because there are no holes. which also means more pressure on the dropouts?

 

[JoshToy]

Wrong... No...

 

[JonMeadows]

Haha, looking in this thread makes me giggle. Josh, your doing one hell of a job
answering questions without getting too pissy. I got madd respect for you bro. I'm
actually looking into getting one. Maybe I will do a non-bias comparison to the TSI!

 

[Jordan Jasa]

question: how does the length compare to the old pro? Is the distance between the brake bolt and rear axle the same? Also, I saw in a picture of what I think was a tested prototype, it didn't have the fron four bolts that held the plates under the foldy. Will this be in the production model?

No changes in width or length, and the front plate is no longer there, the front of the deck also no longer requires the black plastic cap, they weld it closed with a plate of metal.

doesn't that just add extra weight?

i never thought that that strip really did anything, its the thickness of the dropouts that really counts.

and when you grind rails, or anything with metal coping on it, it doesn't wear the deck out that much does it? not enough to wear through the outside rails.

 

[scooter addict]

if they stop making pro models im gunna quit scootering

 

[JDBen]

^ fail

 

[Pete Pachota]

Razor gets deck material in 20 foot long bars. They cut, drill and weld all the decks in the factory. They just don't cut out as much metal when they leave the strip for the Pro Models.
Razor doesn't get each deck individually made. It's more cost effective to get the deck material in long strips, then have them cut, drill and weld while producing.

I guess that they order the custom tubes for deck profiles at an aluminum tube manufacturer. The standard tubes are square, round etc, but if you're a mass producer it's better to order a custom profile. They just probably changed the die or whatever it's called, as far as Im concerned the aluminum profiles are extruded through a die so they probably just changed it for one that uses less material and makes it possible to produce more decks with the same amount of material.

question: how does the length compare to the old pro? Is the distance between the brake bolt and rear axle the same? Also, I saw in a picture of what I think was a tested prototype, it didn't have the fron four bolts that held the plates under the foldy. Will this be in the production model?

No changes in width or length, and the front plate is no longer there, the front of the deck also no longer requires the black plastic cap, they weld it closed with a plate of metal.

doesn't that just add extra weight?

Closing the front is a reinforcement, basically it increases the stiffness of the deck at that point dramatically. Picture a cube made of paper and the same cube with two parallel walls cut out. Which structure is more stiff?

 

[LirimPerasevic]

dammit i need to save my last pro deck till around Christmas or my birthday witch is in February looks like ill have to buy scooter zone reinforcements since i think those are the cheapest out right now

 

[Shaun Walton]

So josh, the new Razor Ultra Pros, are the decks thicker than the old 08 Pros? And im wondering, since the front of the frame is welded closed, is there anyway to renforce the scooter frame? Im maybe getting one when they come in stock, but i would like to renforce it to be safe cause i dont want to buy a scooter, and snap it and be sh!t out of luck.

 

[Rob.]

If i get the ultra pro my brother gets a pair of one pieces!
Kinda want.

 

[Dom Marconi]

Wrong... No...

?
so you are saying that the holes in the front dont effect the strength at all?
because i believe they do. and if the front is stronger, there will be more pressure being put on the dropouts.

 

[JDBen]

question: how does the length compare to the old pro? Is the distance between the brake bolt and rear axle the same? Also, I saw in a picture of what I think was a tested prototype, it didn't have the fron four bolts that held the plates under the foldy. Will this be in the production model?

No changes in width or length, and the front plate is no longer there, the front of the deck also no longer requires the black plastic cap, they weld it closed with a plate of metal.

doesn't that just add extra weight?

i never thought that that strip really did anything, its the thickness of the dropouts that really counts.

and when you grind rails, or anything with metal coping on it, it doesn't wear the deck out that much does it? not enough to wear through the outside rails.

i am assuming it's is so that this doesn't happen: