Zero offset fork Vs. Standered offset

jakob-b

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Tom Borsari said:
no its actually amazing
it takes like... 5 minutes to get used to and makes your nose mannys 10x better

haha i dont care about nose manuels its my personal opinion im not a park rat i ride street
 

Madis

Super Geek
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Steven T said:
Erm reading the fork descriptions on the site, it kinda says zero offset makes the fork stronger? Soo yea, i dunno.
Hell noooo. Where exactly could you read that?

The only thing i found anything saying about their diffirent offsets is this:
"We enable you to order a fork with Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?â??zero offsetÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?Â. This means your wheel is directly under the steering tube.
The advantage is a more balanced bar spin, and your fork is always pointing in the right direction after the bar spin."


The bold underlined part is a nice cup of BS. Oh yeahhh, 10 millimeters off and you're OFF-BALANCE! Well try spinning the clamps on your bars 180 degrees and see if you can still do barspins then, they should affect the balance too you know. (Sarcasm)

Plus, there's nothing that says zero-offset forks are stronger than standard offsets. But although, you can clearly see that the standard offset forks have gussets attached between the baseplate and the legs so it will prevent it from bending there back or forth. Their zero-offset forks aren't equipped with the gussets.

AdamArce said:
Jakob Burns said:
zero offset is a epic fail
Just saying that without a particular reason IS an epic fail. Saying one line is "very" informative.
 

Joe Riley

The Gypsy
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oh. offset forks are stronger since they have the gussets, then. does zero offset make any tricks harder? sorry for the questions, but im thinking of getting a pair of these bad boys for myself.
 

Madis

Super Geek
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JoeyR said:
oh. offset forks are stronger since they have the gussets, then. does zero offset make any tricks harder? sorry for the questions, but im thinking of getting a pair of these bad boys for myself.
Basically no, because it's still only 10mm of diffirence. But there's also no point of getting them either, since the gussets will save your forks if your scooter would ever have to fall bad on the fork.
 

Rob.

Admin
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easier to tell if it's forwards or backwards, i'm guessing.
other than that, i dunno.

i love the micro XT 0 offset fork, so i'd love the inward scooters 0 offset fork.

nose mannys/hang fives/pivots = sex with zero offset.

if they'd put gussets on it they'd rock.
 

Madis

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Jordan said:
what is the purpose of having an offset anyway?
Originally offsets came from bikes. As bikes don't have the steerertube under 85 degrees like on scooters, they have more slanted. Bicycles have like around 45 to 80 degrees and as we have witness, longer chopper bikes have sometimes even below 30 degrees. Without the offset the steering would be unstable. As the dropouts were in front of the fork, the main body of the fork (legs) was behind the dropouts, making the steering a bit more stable and not easier to fall. And THEN... somehow the japanese designers transferred the offset from bikes to scooters. Scooters however have a steeper headtube angle, around 80-85 as we most commonly know. 10 millimeters between the standard offset and zero-offset changes very little, but it still changes. I am still wondering if the 180 briflip fall on my XT review video was caused by the zero-offset or the narrow 13" wide bars, or the two together, because both of those factors technically make the steering more unstable. Making the offset larger on a scooter would defenetaly make the steering more stable. Imagine yourself a fork with a 200mm (yes, two-hundred) offset instead of a standard 10mm offset: every person who has never used a scooter, would NOT wobble his super-narrow 13" wide bars on his first run.
 

dre

Member
GoGzS said:
I love it, not only nose manuals...feels safer, when I air the vert with big speed, I get less speed wobbles with the XT zero offset fork than I have with the SR fork...
Same headset/bars/wheels used...
huh? that's weird, zero offset, like madis said, should technically make steering less stable, therefore more speed wobbles..
 

GoGzS

Bronze member
Madis said:
Jordan said:
what is the purpose of having an offset anyway?
...CUT...

Imagine yourself a fork with a 200mm (yes, two-hundred) offset instead of a standard 10mm offset: every person who has never used a scooter, would NOT wobble his super-narrow 13" wide bars on his first run.

It all depends how steep the bars are...
Imagen haveing 90 degree bars, your fork with 200mm offset would behave like a shopping trolley wheel, it would try to get in the most stabile position, and that would be "facing the wrong way"...
If you have your bars bellow 90 degree, offset is a nice thing, but it isn't really noticable as it is on those chopper bikes you mentioned wich have bars around 30-45 degree...

People wondered why some French riders have theyr fork "the wrong way"...I know for myself, with the steeper angle on a micro (comparing to a JDbug/PRO model), it feels more stabile wit the fork that way...tho I never got used to it and rode "the normal way"...now that I have a zero offset fork and pretty steep bars (Micro XT), I tryed riding my Bullet with the SR fork again and it's weird, I got so much used to the zero offset fork, turning the SR fork "the wrong way" feels more natural...

EDIT:

Dre said:
GoGzS said:
I love it, not only nose manuals...feels safer, when I air the vert with big speed, I get less speed wobbles with the XT zero offset fork than I have with the SR fork...
Same headset/bars/wheels used...
huh? that's weird, zero offset, like madis said, should technically make steering less stable, therefore more speed wobbles..

Couse of the steep bars...if I'd put the SR fork on my XT, or any other fork with offset, I would ride it "the wrong way"...couse the same thing happenes as with the shopping trolley wheel...it wants to turn around to the position that is more stabile...
 

Madis

Super Geek
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GoGzS said:
*snip

People wondered why some French riders have theyr fork "the wrong way"...I know for myself, with the steeper angle on a micro (comparing to a JDbug/PRO model), it feels more stabile wit the fork that way...tho I never got used to it and rode "the normal way"...now that I have a zero offset fork and pretty steep bars (Micro XT), I tryed riding my Bullet with the SR fork again and it's weird, I got so much used to the zero offset fork, turning the SR fork "the wrong way" feels more natural...
Dude the swiss people ride Micro forks backwards. Micro forks even have arrows but yet they still ride it backwards.
 

GoGzS

Bronze member
Madis said:
Dude the swiss people ride Micro forks backwards. Micro forks even have arrows but yet they still ride it backwards.

I know that they have arrows...that's why I said use "the wrong way"...
Try putting a fork with offset (SR Fork..) on your XT, and see what's the more comfortable way (less wobbles) to ride...and you'll get what I mean...
 

Madis

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Steven T said:
After having rode my zero offset forks..Yea, In my opinion..

Zero Offset>Offset.
You didn't read my post about the gussets on first page, did you.
 

Steven_T

Member
lol..Im not really trippin over gussets..or whatever. They feel amazing when i ride, and thats basically all i care about.
 

Steven_T

Member
Nah sorry. Its some wierd ass Scooter some kid gave to me, and it like..had stock 15 wides, and a gnar headtube, and lots of sick stuff on it. So yea i use that headtube..lol.

Are you having a problem running the forks on a Pro headtube?
 
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