Fliming With A DSLR: READ

The Batman

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So a few of you are thinking of shooting video (or already started) with a DSLR. So I thought I would give some quick tips for everyone.

PART ONE:

Advantages of DSLR Video:

Your going to be getting the same effect as a camera with a DOF adapter (Depth Of Field)
Professionals pay thousands of dollars to create DOF rigs for their cameras, and your getting the same effect for hopefully less then $2000.

Along with the advantage of SLR lenses, your going to producing video that can range from 480p (Best recommended for DVD's of team videos or other shenanigans) to 1080p (amazing for anything web based, or Blue-ray)


Disadvantages and Costs of DSLR Video:

You might find yourself investing more money then what you had originally planned when you purchased your DSLR.

A good amount of VX and DVX users are going to discover that DSLRs don't come with a ND Filter. This means your going to have to dish-out and pay $100 to $200 (depending on the size of your lenses) for a decent ND filter for your camera. Without it, your footage is going to be extremely over exposed and annoying to work with on the field.

Next is the eye piece. Your going to find it difficult to focus and get a good shot while looking through the little piece of plastic and glass. Its likely you'll try using the LCD screen the majority of the time, but the LCD screen itself comes with its own problems. Its uncomfortable to shoot long lens as you hold the screen to your face and you will be constantly running into glare when outdoors.

The only way to combat this is with the Z-Finder.

http://store.zacuto.com/Z-Finder.html

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This is a industry standard at the moment with DSLR video. Sadly, its going to rack you up another $200 to $300. (But you'll usually receive a few free goodies, like the shoe-mount out door light my co-worker received.)

Now lets move onto sound. The noise you get out of this thing is horrible. Experienced filmers will discover that you have no control over the sound channels. There is also no XLR ports for a good high quality microphone. With this said, if your filming for a team DVD and your worried about production value, your going to need an XLR adapter.

Your best bet is the Beachtek adapter. Its sadly going to run you another $250 to $400 (depending on where you buy it, or its used or new.) But your going to be getting what you paid for. This thing is amazing as far as control goes, and its body is pretty light! So don't worry about it weighing you down to much like a battery grip.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/674341-REG/Beachtek_DXA_5DA_DXA_5DA_DSLR_Cameras_Passive.html

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With that said, your going to run into a conflict. You might have to choose between this, and a battery grip. Most people prefer the extra battery life and the second grip that provides a much steadier shot. But if you want to get the best bang for your buck, (and you can handle changing batteries more often) I recommend the adapter. Plus you can always rest your under it for a little extra support while shooting if you really need it.

Editing and Compressing Footage:

Now lets move away from all the equipment and talk about the actual footage. If no one told you, DSLRs are not 3CCD video cameras. This means your going to have to deal with rolling shutter, and a few other disadvantages of CMOS image sensors. You might also notice you will need a good system to edit and run any HD footage from DSLRs. But honestly, most of you guys have pretty decent computers, I mean a good amount of you have moved onto HD video.

The next thing (and I know people have this problem a lot) is compressing HD footage from a DSLR. Now I'm not sure what your operating system is, or what program your using, but I'll do my best to help you guys out.

Final Cut - Now hopefully most of you know how to setup your footage on a sequence if your using Final Cut, but it should ask you if you want Final Cut to set up the footage for you when its dropped into the sequence. When your ready to export and compress the footage, you will want to click export and then choose Quicktime Conversion. In the options, make sure you have the h.264 codec selected, make sure the export frame size is the same as you video. If you exporting and putting the video on YouTube, drag quality bar to full. If its for Vimeo, make sure the quality is not to high so it doesn't exceed the 500mb limit.

If your exporting footage for DVD, use the same process above, but make sure the codec is ProTools. Its honestly the best codec for DVD. (But don't try uploading it online, it wont work haha)

Here is a good example of 720p footage filmed by my co-worker, this was exported and compressed with the same process (with the H.264 codec) I explained above.

http://www.vimeo.com/14125783

Premiere:

This pretty much the same process, but premieres interface is waaay different. When exporting, make sure you have the preset selected for DSLR video (they specifically made presets for it) make sure you have the H.264 codec selected. (Also, ProTools is only available on Final Cut Pro) Then adjust your quality settings to whatever site your uploading too.

(I don't have any footage made in premiere, haha sorry. If I get any I'll upload it for you guys.)

Vegas:

I don't have a fucking clue when it comes to Vegas and HD video haha. I work on a Mac so I'm somewhat at a disadvantage!

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I'm working on the rest as we speak, so I'll post it soon. Hope this helps some of you guys.
 

zac watson

Member
why do u need this Beachtek adapter adapter whats wrong with a rode mic with the mp3 trick. 2nd Final cut is good if u want to waste time changing files and all that but the newish adobe premiere pro cs5 can edit native HDSLR footage quite well to. some of the things u have stated u cleary dont need u dont need a z finder just buy the cheaper one if u realy want one. if your filming lines there is no way in hell i would be looking through i fiew finder so whats the point in wasting 300 dollars when u could be getting glass for your camera. the most important thing when u have your DSLR is your rig whatever you choose what type that is the most important thing cause i can tell u strate from someone who owns a HDSLR these things a fucking hard to film without a handle.
 

The Batman

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why do u need this Beachtek adapter adapter whats wrong with a rode mic with the mp3 trick. 2nd Final cut is good if u want to waste time changing files and all that but the newish adobe premiere pro cs5 can edit native HDSLR footage quite well to. some of the things u have stated u cleary dont need u dont need a z finder just buy the cheaper one if u realy want one. if your filming lines there is no way in hell i would be looking through i fiew finder so whats the point in wasting 300 dollars when u could be getting glass for your camera. the most important thing when u have your DSLR is your rig whatever you choose what type that is the most important thing cause i can tell u strate from someone who owns a HDSLR these things a fucking hard to film without a handle.

Its not done yet, so clearly there is more information coming. If your shooting long lens, the Z-Finder works the best, and if you go cheap, you get what you pay for. Cheap shit.

And as for the Beachtek adapter, you getting channel control, two XLR ports, and more. This way you getting your money's worth with your rode mic, or whatever you using.

Edit: also, Final Cut and Premiere CS5 work well with each other, they each have advantages and disadvantages. I would honestly edit DSLR footage in CS5 and then import my project into Final Cut Pro and export it with Quicktime Conversion. Plus its great if your working on something for dvd, because premiere doesn't have the ProTools codec.

PC on the other hand... got totally screwed on that whole situation haha.
 

The Batman

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you should see my friends 5d
shit cost more than my house
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=566299998231&set=a.519085546371.2057579.13000467
old pic i think he got more stuff for it, and for vegas, for it to work with real hd you need vegas 9 pro, my friend had to get it when he got his hmc150 because vegas 8 didnt support some stuff. so vegas 9 should be good for any hd footage

and yea, I wasnt sure about Vegas. When I was still working on PC I was using premiere cs3 and vegas 8 haha.

Premiere CS5 is amazing for DSLR footage though, adobe clearly knew what they where doing when they re-worked CS4.
 

DavidCronin

Steel Member
not to be a dick or anything but, i dont think that any kid on here wold be able to afford/ or have any knowledge on operating dslrs and that if they did want to film they would get some crappy jvc everio. great thread and everything but i dont think that it applies to the 13 year olds that makes up 80% of this site. but its deff a good thread. it should be on sp too.
 

The Batman

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not to be a dick or anything but, i dont think that any kid on here wold be able to afford/ or have any knowledge on operating dslrs and that if they did want to film they would get some crappy jvc everio. great thread and everything but i dont think that it applies to the 13 year olds that makes up 80% of this site. but its deff a good thread. it should be on sp too.

Yea, this was directed more towards the older uses on SR haha. And a few have actually picked up DSLR's so I thought this would help.

And yea, maybe when this done I'll post it on SP!

Edit: and if you are on a budget, and your planning on getting a 7d, just get the t2i for $700 and use the rest of your funds to start building your setup! Sadly, t2i body's are shitty and made of plastic, so be careful filming haha.
 

zac watson

Member
Brock most of the kids who come on here dont have the money to evan start thinking about buying a HDSLR there are a very small amount of people on here who could buy a HDSLR and really no what there doing this thread would be more for SP than SR but i guess it was a good thread but the kids here would not have a clue what half the stuff even means. what type of camera do u have any way brock
 

Matt

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Brock most of the kids who come on here dont have the money to evan start thinking about buying a HDSLR there are a very small amount of people on here who could buy a HDSLR and really no what there doing this thread would be more for SP than SR but i guess it was a good thread but the kids here would not have a clue what half the stuff even means. what type of camera do u have any way brock

Exactly.

Brock really good info, but I thought you had an HPX?

Anyway, I when filming with a t2i I do it a little different. I export the files in Prores from MPEG Streamclip and then put them in Final Cut. Then from there, I export in h.264.

And here's another good, but cheaper viewfinder.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/677008-REG/LCD_Viewfinder_LCDVF.html
 

The Batman

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Staff member
Exactly.

Brock really good info, but I thought you had an HPX?

Anyway, I when filming with a t2i I do it a little different. I export the files in Prores from MPEG Streamclip and then put them in Final Cut. Then from there, I export in h.264.

And here's another good, but cheaper viewfinder.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/677008-REG/LCD_Viewfinder_LCDVF.html

haha I wont have that beast until June, but I've been getting a lot of experience with the 7D on a couple projects I was working on. And yea, you process is pretty much the same thing, you just do it in a different order!

If anyone has any good tips, feel free to contribute them! I'll post the rest tomorrow when I'm not crazy busy.

edit: That eye piece inst bad, but the z-finder is just better quality. I would rather save up and have that, then buy a cheap one and upgrade later.

Oh, and as for the project I did recently, I went to Chicago with a few other guys for a couple days to film some live sets. It was pretty fun, we had my DVX rigged with DOF adapter, a 7D and a t2i rig haha. We all filmed at 480p and the footage matched perfectly! I'll post some of it up soon!
 

Matt

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Brock which form of ProRes do you think is the best for moving clips to FCP, because I never know which one to use?
 

JohnMorris10

Bronze member
since you have no info on vegas i thought i would post what i do

if you go to properties and match ur media settings before u edit then render it to wmv "default template" usually that turns out pretty well :)

if anyone else does anything different i would love to hear it
:)
 
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