k, there was 2 lie 10 year old twins that rode havocs at my local, and they were terrible then one day they showed up with skateboards and went up to every scooter kid going "why do you scooter its so fucking gay" so when they came to me i asked if they could even skateboard at all, neither of them could do anything except for just barely ollie, so i played each of them in skate and beat them both withe S.K.A.T.E to nothing ahahahaha then one of them was like "what ever i dont care you're just a scooter fag thhat rides somthing thats way too easy to do tricks on" so i asked him to do a hip flyout and it took like 4 tries xD