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DAMN FUCKING STRAITNick Granger said:
im going to admit i did buy the retro t bars or whatevs and thats because i had nowere else to go
while i strongly agree with nick i also disagree with someshit he's saying
but when people talk about andrew trying to make a monopoly of sr and proto or whatever, thats shitss truee son.
if this is all about promoting the sport, then why not let other people advertize, why not put other companies on the front page of the sr/proto store? and if parts break, thats not andrews fault because as far as my knowledge goes, he has been testing all this shit for a while.
i just wish andrew didnt make it seem like he is trying to shut out smaller companies and only promoting his. our sport is small enough as it is.
Norris_Yun
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If companies want there own coverage why don't they just go on and make there site. And then have other companies advertise on there site for free. Better yet Nick you go make your site that you have to pay for and have other advertise for free.
Snow Patrol
Member
I can completly understand everyone calling him a "god", he has got our comminuty by the balls right now.
Sure, if i didnt know anything about this discussion id be clueless too, so i dont blame anyone who doesnt get me.
So if youre still going to defend andrew without even hearing the whole story, youre just wasting your time.
Anyways, andrew.. this is going right to you.
The facts-
You know that there isnt anyone else except yourself that has the position you do. Hell we all know it.
You control sr, and have your own company now "proto" as a means of income.
The reason behind it-
The people who come on it (the community) are the sole reason that it is what it is today.
You created a more or less simple forum, and it grew due to the lack of competing forums and the from users spreading the word about it.
You did no part in creating this whole "empire" you speak of other than creating a forum and reaping the benefits from the populace who actively use it.
With those benefits you gained, (control over advertisement, popularity from the creation of the site, and the trust of the users), you abused, and it is only hurting the
community.
The results-
We are stronger in numbers (that means that other companies deserve the right to equally advertise what they have to offer, and should retain those rights to have a chance to grow and help us obtain this image we all know we deserve)
If there is only one company "proto" we are in essence.. fuck ed, in our image, and in our strength as a community.
We are very much at risk of dying out with only a sole community forum and a sole company, led by one person who wants to have no competition and make a living selling his parts.
I understand that you have to make a living, but it is much bigger than just you and SR/Proto.
If you truly do want us to grow and become a real sport someday like you say, it would never happen with just your own plans using proto and sr to make a living.
It happens when you develop a passion for riding.
Then turns into an appreciation for what that has given you (friends, trips, injuries, and enjoyment)
Eventually, some get to the point of wanting to get more involved, to take care of the new generation of riders or to keep doing what they love, and so some make a company.
And it takes an effort from our own companies (whether they be rider created, or an entrepreneur) to work together, and help create the backing of our new image/industry.
Your virtual monopoly is a great way for you to make money and live, but it is definatly not helping the sport progress like you always seem to believe.
It is in your own interests (using a forum to gain a populace, and launching your own company to try and dominate all other competitors to make a living) that is going to kepp scootering as the lowly, unrespectable little kids toy that it is known as today.
Ok, that is all there is to it, i couldnt put it anymore plainly for you.
hopefully you will realise what youre doing wrong and make it a little easier for us all to have a future, and that doing everything by yourself leaves you few allies, and does the opposite of helping the sport/industry.
I have nothing further to say.
Sure, if i didnt know anything about this discussion id be clueless too, so i dont blame anyone who doesnt get me.
So if youre still going to defend andrew without even hearing the whole story, youre just wasting your time.
Anyways, andrew.. this is going right to you.
The facts-
You know that there isnt anyone else except yourself that has the position you do. Hell we all know it.
You control sr, and have your own company now "proto" as a means of income.
The reason behind it-
The people who come on it (the community) are the sole reason that it is what it is today.
You created a more or less simple forum, and it grew due to the lack of competing forums and the from users spreading the word about it.
You did no part in creating this whole "empire" you speak of other than creating a forum and reaping the benefits from the populace who actively use it.
With those benefits you gained, (control over advertisement, popularity from the creation of the site, and the trust of the users), you abused, and it is only hurting the
community.
The results-
We are stronger in numbers (that means that other companies deserve the right to equally advertise what they have to offer, and should retain those rights to have a chance to grow and help us obtain this image we all know we deserve)
If there is only one company "proto" we are in essence.. fuck ed, in our image, and in our strength as a community.
We are very much at risk of dying out with only a sole community forum and a sole company, led by one person who wants to have no competition and make a living selling his parts.
I understand that you have to make a living, but it is much bigger than just you and SR/Proto.
If you truly do want us to grow and become a real sport someday like you say, it would never happen with just your own plans using proto and sr to make a living.
It happens when you develop a passion for riding.
Then turns into an appreciation for what that has given you (friends, trips, injuries, and enjoyment)
Eventually, some get to the point of wanting to get more involved, to take care of the new generation of riders or to keep doing what they love, and so some make a company.
And it takes an effort from our own companies (whether they be rider created, or an entrepreneur) to work together, and help create the backing of our new image/industry.
Your virtual monopoly is a great way for you to make money and live, but it is definatly not helping the sport progress like you always seem to believe.
It is in your own interests (using a forum to gain a populace, and launching your own company to try and dominate all other competitors to make a living) that is going to kepp scootering as the lowly, unrespectable little kids toy that it is known as today.
Ok, that is all there is to it, i couldnt put it anymore plainly for you.
hopefully you will realise what youre doing wrong and make it a little easier for us all to have a future, and that doing everything by yourself leaves you few allies, and does the opposite of helping the sport/industry.
I have nothing further to say.
some valid points up there
but isn't he trying to stock other companies parts in the store?
it even says to contact him if you own a company and want to sell products on the sr store
"Think you have a killer company and product that you would like to sell in the SR Store? Contact us!"
but isn't he trying to stock other companies parts in the store?
it even says to contact him if you own a company and want to sell products on the sr store
"Think you have a killer company and product that you would like to sell in the SR Store? Contact us!"
thats the only thing i dont get.jules said:
murphy rides this stuff and TRIES to be sketchy and TRIES to break it but cant, but then others do on accident? just seems like somethings not right.
i really dont have a problem with proto or any other companies. i buy crap and go ride. if it breaks, i try different crap and go ride more. you arent going to change andrews mind about anything. he pays for SR, so he has the right to advertise on here. why should others get to do it for free?
if any of you think im some suck up or something, fuck you. ive never bought anything from proto/sr and i really dont think i will until its necessary. i buy what i need. im neutral in all this fighting crap.
the_SD_local
I own SR.
Nick, your ignorance is truly astonishing and nearly overwhelming. This one is just for you:
all i want is whats better for the riders. things arent going good for proto. other people could be making way better products, but cant get the advertisment due to this no advertising rule.
and god of scootering? andrew is good and stuff but to make a statement calling him the god of scootering it makes you look like a tool dude. get off his dick hahah
[/quote]Sorry but you are the tool here. You do not need to advertise way better products in order to make way better products. If you are worried about advertising first then that clearly shows you are worried about money first, not making good parts. I was making good parts years before I ever started selling anything just like a lot of people on this site. Have you ever heard of Fernando Young? Madis Kukk? Pete Pachota? Alex Steadman? Jason Beggs? Cory Mosbrucker? Rob Forman? or anyone else who has made GOOD parts without bitching or worrying if they could advertise them or not??? (my apologies to anyone I am leaving off this list because there are a lot of other people out there that I have great respect for for going out and experimenting with scooter parts just for the sake of making better scooter parts) You, Nick do not happen to be one of them.
It is really sad that you do not realize any of these things because you have not taken the time to analyze the facts for yourself. Instead you are buying into someones biased spoon fed bullshit you have been spouting like a tape recorder all over my thread and forum. Do me a favor and stay out like I already asked because I'm not going to ban you. I'm going to delete your account and block your IP and yes, I do have a monopoly on that.
ONE company? ANY company? I mean it can't be that hard to name ONE company doing it better if it's THAT simple right?Nick Granger said:
You do realize that the "popular website backing my company" IS my company right? The same company that I spent the last 6 years growing? That is like saying "If you hadn't worked your ass off for the last 6 years to build and support a community you are passionate about, PROTO would be nothing." Well NO SHIT captain obvious. I would like to take this moment in time to apologize to everyone for actually having a BUSINESS PLAN when I started manufacturing parts unlike every other kid out there who says "Oh man I'm gonna start a scooter company yea lolz!" who fails shortly after... if they ever even get started in the first place.Nick Granger said:
Alex Steezeman said:
Not only do I want you to name ONE company that is doing better (which you already said you cannot) I would also like you to name ONE legitimate scooter company that I have stood in their way. Yea, I am picky about letting kids advertise on SR when they ask me if they can post their Geocities/Freewebs site and use the SR forums to whore and take orders. I even denied Cory advertising for RAD until he got a legit site put together because I knew from my experience that he had a good product and needed a good site if he wanted to be taken seriously. Now he has a "rad" site and his own thread on SR to promote it. Despite numerous complaints I still let Take 2 whore around in the forums because they are on the right track. I have openly supported Inward and have personally contacted them about carrying their products in the SR Store. I have been talking to French ID since January 2008 about carrying their products when they first got into business and I have been talking to Eagle since June 2008 about the same. There are numerous threads of independent designers and manufacturers in the scooter section who have great ideas and I give them props. I mean the SR store has other companies posted in there not to mention it clearly states:Nick Granger said:
if this website wasnt up proto would be nothing dude hahahaha.Dictionary.com said:
all i want is whats better for the riders. things arent going good for proto. other people could be making way better products, but cant get the advertisment due to this no advertising rule.
and god of scootering? andrew is good and stuff but to make a statement calling him the god of scootering it makes you look like a tool dude. get off his dick hahah
[/quote]Sorry but you are the tool here. You do not need to advertise way better products in order to make way better products. If you are worried about advertising first then that clearly shows you are worried about money first, not making good parts. I was making good parts years before I ever started selling anything just like a lot of people on this site. Have you ever heard of Fernando Young? Madis Kukk? Pete Pachota? Alex Steadman? Jason Beggs? Cory Mosbrucker? Rob Forman? or anyone else who has made GOOD parts without bitching or worrying if they could advertise them or not??? (my apologies to anyone I am leaving off this list because there are a lot of other people out there that I have great respect for for going out and experimenting with scooter parts just for the sake of making better scooter parts) You, Nick do not happen to be one of them.
You realize in the past I have bartered advertising for free parts and that I have never actually charged anyone a cent? You realize that your entire argument is a bunch of inaccurate assumptions about me and my business when really you are clueless? Have you even READ THIS WEBSITE!?!?! YOU must be the brainwashed one... either that or you are completely BRAINDEAD.Nick Granger said:
It is really sad that you do not realize any of these things because you have not taken the time to analyze the facts for yourself. Instead you are buying into someones biased spoon fed bullshit you have been spouting like a tape recorder all over my thread and forum. Do me a favor and stay out like I already asked because I'm not going to ban you. I'm going to delete your account and block your IP and yes, I do have a monopoly on that.
well inward seems to be doing pretty well considering the number of forks i've seen on scooters recently
tons of people have eagles which aren't in the store
tons of people have c4, rads, and other bars which aren't in the sr store
i don't quite see this monopoly you guys do
if he truly wanted a monopoly he would limit the forum to proto discussion only
but, other companies have been able to get the word out on their products through the forum
EDIT: well while i was typing andrew posted that above me so my post is pretty redundant but yea there you go
tons of people have eagles which aren't in the store
tons of people have c4, rads, and other bars which aren't in the sr store
i don't quite see this monopoly you guys do
if he truly wanted a monopoly he would limit the forum to proto discussion only
but, other companies have been able to get the word out on their products through the forum
EDIT: well while i was typing andrew posted that above me so my post is pretty redundant but yea there you go
Hep Greg
Administrator
the_SD_local said:
ifuckingloveyouforsayingthat.
Trevor N said:
Yes this is the man that bent the slayers. Yes I am a vegetarian. no I am not a hack. no I do not throw my scooter, I find that very immature. I am just a young adult that expected superior quality and was let down. I was told thtat these were supposed to be the strongest bars to date and trusted my money in these bars. not only did the bend ruin my day of riding, it also broke my stock pro model fork. I am hoping that I will get a warranty on these since I am have been riding them for 2 weeks now.
Thanks for your time,
Trevor Noller
your sh!t bent because you freakin' ride 26 high, with a single clamp. you ride the tallest bars on this site, and you did so with the least amount of reinforcement (single clamp) on the highest stress point of handlebars (which, by the way, increases with every inch of height on your bars).
THAT'S why they bent. not because of the quality of the bars, but because of the extreme dimensions and lack of clampage. so everyone who's being a fat d!ck to andrew about "how bad his products are", shut up. so what if stuff breaks? it happens. nothing's f*cking indestructable. if you really wanna know how somethings gonna be WAIT 'TIL PEOPLE BUY IT FIRST, THEN WAIT FOR REVIEWS. DONT BE A DUMBASSS BLIND CONSUMER.
Snow Patrol
Member
sucks to hear that, were nothing more than riders like yourself, who are just trying to set something right and make everything fair for everyone.
If thats not something that is respectable, then i truly feel sorry for those who disagree.
Andrew, im sorry you seem to see everything this way.
Its the community that will decide where scootering will go, not your creations.
Hopefully you will realise that and treat them all a little more fairly.
You may have a few tidbits of info on other companies, but as you can see, proto is everywhere on sr, that is the bias of it all.
The manner of which that you advertise your products, typically you say that they are the best out of any comparable product, and that they are superior to everyone in everyway.
"Securing the future of scootering".. more or less is a big statement, especially when its on a large forum that you are "spoon-feeding" this all to.
I havent seen much on srs mainpage telling about many other companies other than proto.
But anyways, i can see that im wasting my time with you and you obviously dont get it.
You can choose to keep me on here, or ban me or whatever, i havent done anything wrong according to your rules, just spoken my mind on what is what, and there is no rule against that.
Either way, im done trying to reason with you, and im glad i at least tried to explain the truth to everyone even if i do lose some respect.
I never asked for any of it in the first place, it just happened from enjoying riding with my friends and progressing like everyone else, and im glad ive wasted it on something worthwhile.
If thats not something that is respectable, then i truly feel sorry for those who disagree.
Andrew, im sorry you seem to see everything this way.
Its the community that will decide where scootering will go, not your creations.
Hopefully you will realise that and treat them all a little more fairly.
You may have a few tidbits of info on other companies, but as you can see, proto is everywhere on sr, that is the bias of it all.
The manner of which that you advertise your products, typically you say that they are the best out of any comparable product, and that they are superior to everyone in everyway.
"Securing the future of scootering".. more or less is a big statement, especially when its on a large forum that you are "spoon-feeding" this all to.
I havent seen much on srs mainpage telling about many other companies other than proto.
But anyways, i can see that im wasting my time with you and you obviously dont get it.
You can choose to keep me on here, or ban me or whatever, i havent done anything wrong according to your rules, just spoken my mind on what is what, and there is no rule against that.
Either way, im done trying to reason with you, and im glad i at least tried to explain the truth to everyone even if i do lose some respect.
I never asked for any of it in the first place, it just happened from enjoying riding with my friends and progressing like everyone else, and im glad ive wasted it on something worthwhile.
Snow Patrol
Member
because most small scooter companies and you are one in the same, you deserve to have access to everything fairly and they deserve to have a chance to grow without having to fight through all the advertisement of proto on here.Josh N. said:
Companies have to get screened by andrew, he has the say on who makes it and who doesnt due to the ownership of this forum and his views on it, when it should be the riders who determine what companies are going to grow by their support in purchases.