/PROTO Scooters

[Josh N.]

what the fankkk. i dont get how andrew is being unfair to the average community member...?

because most small scooter companies and you are one in the same, you deserve to have access to everything fairly and they deserve to have a chance to grow without having to fight through all the advertisement of proto on here.

Companies have to get screened by andrew, he has the say on who makes it and who doesnt due to the ownership of this forum and his views on it, when it should be the riders who determine what companies are going to grow by their support in purchases.

what...? you are one in the same. dont get that...

and your saying he is unfair to small companies(i still disagree)... that is different then the community


I'm pretty sure when andrew "screens" he rarely will ever say no and if he does he tries to help them to improve and then let them on once they are legit. Which is only best for scootering cause we want things that are legit and he does a great job filtering that. EX... what he said about RAD and now they have a legit site and are growing quite nicely.

Also i remember someone saying how andrew is failing because wheels and bars failed... Greg brang up a great point... wait for reviews. ++++++ andrew took 100% fault of the wheels are refunded. what else could he have done better... he tested and now he refunds. and im sure he will refund or give some kind of compensation if the reason the bars broke are his fault

my 2 cents...

i love what andrew is doing. and you CANNOT say that there is a better scooter company out there and you CANNOT say anyone has helped the sport more than andrew

 

[Snow Patrol]

by "one in the same" i meant that we are all trying to make an industry, and gain the respect we deserve from others.

the rider created companies are the ones who are going to make something out of this sport, and im just saying that i dont think they are being treated fairly.

Andrew is more or less having control on every company due to his ownership of sr. He can advertise anything he wants, but he naturally is going to choose his own company over another to make money and support himself like any other... Its a major bias, especially when we are trying to get more and more good companies out there.

and a simple solution for him to avoid discussions like this, due to his ownership of sr, is to have the bare minimum of advertisements he can allow, while keeping his sales up to support himself and his interests.

No questions asked about that one, everyone assumes that its fair.. maybe in a few years you will understand.


And by the way, yes sr was a great thing for us all, and without it we would more than likly not be where we are today, i agree 100%.
But it is very vulnerable, and keeps our image weak in the eyes of others.
If SR is the only site out there and it goes down, we all go down.

I think we should protect our community a little better by not letting one person rule it all.

 

[Jake Carlyon]

so andrews about money, not the scooter community?

and he makes that money from us, the riders. hes says he want to progress the sport but how are you doing that buy shutting everyone out? and yes advertising does cost money, but when you have these companies just starting out they cant support that. the sport has to grow more before you do something like that

WELL anyone whose starting a business must surely have a little money to invest. if any legit company with a website etc. offered a small fee towards the MAINTENANCE for the site then im sure andrew would allow them to put up an ad etc.

and seriously. PROTO is all over the site? bullshit. there's a thread in the general discussion. who gives a fuck. if he truly was running a monopoly he would at least have a link up the top of the website.
the only link to his website is in his signature. big whoop

 

[Josh N.]

by "one in the same" i meant that we are all trying to make an industry, and gain the respect we deserve from others.

the rider created companies are the ones who are going to make something out of this sport, and im just saying that i dont think they are being treated fairly.

Andrew is more or less having control on every company due to his ownership of sr. He can advertise anything he wants, but he naturally is going to choose his own company over another to make money and support himself like any other... Its a major bias, especially when we are trying to get more and more good companies out there.

and a simple solution for him to avoid discussions like this, due to his ownership of sr, is to have the bare minimum of advertisements he can allow, while keeping his sales up to support himself and his interests.

No questions asked about that one, everyone assumes that its fair.. maybe in a few years you will understand.


And by the way, yes sr was a great thing for us all, and without it we would more than likly not be where we are today, i agree 100%.
But it is very vulnerable, and keeps our image weak in the eyes of others.
If SR is the only site out there and it goes down, we all go down.

I think we should protect our community a little better by not letting one person rule it all.

alright i definitely understand where your going with that. i just disagree to the fact that andrew is not abusing his control. he may have control but he doesnt abuse it.

is your sig sarcastic?

"Andrew is gonna be making such advanced parts that most companies wont be able to compete with in the next few months. I truely cannot wait, because everything i have bought from Andrew has been truely amazing and also what my friends have got from him have been quite flawless. I personally think Andrew has modernized scooters more then any other company has. He devotes so much time into this sport its unbelieveable! One thing that is great about being a scooterer is that we actually have a company(proto scooters) who actually has ridden a scooter before and know exactly what us riders want and need. If i truely was selling such an amazing product that Andrew thought was good enough to be in his well known, amazing scooter store, i would certainly do it without hesistation. Andrew is basically the "GOD" of scootering."

cause it seems like thats really positive towards andrew and is kool and all but in your posts your all against the way he does things and stand for DXG which seems to be against andrew cause of his "monopoly"

 

[Steven_T]

Greg my friend bent his slayers and they are 18 high 16 wide with a double clamp...
not to knock Andrew or proto
but i expect better out of welds that good and cromo tubing

lol this threads going nuts.


Side note, I rode my RAD V1s. for over over 2 years easy. With a single clamp, on a stock fork. And those were 26 high...never bent. what so ever. Just putting that out there.lol

 

[Snow Patrol]

My sig simply was saying that the quote was a huge suck up.

I didnt say anything about andrew in it, just a laugh at how serious some people can make things.

The people who are affiliated with dxg are just voicing what they want, we all want equality in the end, and andrew just doesnt see it.
There may be alot of crap talking but we all want the same thing.
-Reliable, well designed products
-An unbiased market
-A future industry

Were just frustrated that andrew seems to think everything is an attack on him and that DXG is the root of it all.

 

[Josh N.]

okay it is kind of a suck up haha. but its so true in a way. but god really...?

and i really thought you were saying that. like it wasnt a quote from someone else.

 

[Hayydennn]

can i get my proto wheels replaced? i dehubbed them and its pass the date... idk what to do, especially if i pay that much for scooter wheels.

 

[GoGzS]

Have to agree with John Radtke on almost everything.

But let's roll back and see why Proto was seperated from SR. If I remember well it was "to stay neutral and give all companies the same right of advertising on SR" ?
Now if that's right, I don't see the point of Andrew "screening and filtering" companies wich advertise on here...
Let the community pick up or drop a company...

But seriously I don't like all the hype around Proto...on the other side of the world, there is that small FrID team, who pretty much owns any other team out there, they have the best forks out there, nice bars, a scooter called muffin...and how often do you hear about them on SR? Sad thing...

Anyway...cheers, enjoy the day...

 

[the_SD_local]

hey andrew what about jons post
reply to that too

That post is a bunch of fancy talk with no real substance and a bunch of inaccuracies trying to rewrite history. He is talking like he is some kind of visionary scooter prophet trying to lead his people to the holy land and away from their persecutors...

"The facts" - Yea, I probably am one of the only people if not the only person in the world in the position I am in but it did not just "fall into my lap". I have had a vision since I was 15 years old to ride scooters for the rest of my life and to help others do the same and I have been working towards my goals ever since.

"The reason behind it" - Yes, the community IS it's users and I love each and every one of my loyal members because without you guys SR would be nothing and that is my life and that is not the first time I have said that. This is where it starts getting bogus though: The fact of the matter is there were NUMEROUS competing forums and "companies" even recently (anyone remember FAB? lol). SR got where it is because I was the first and still the only freestyle scooter forum to write a set of rules and strictly enforce them so all my members can have an enjoyable experience here and I truly believe to this day that that is what set me apart which is why I make sure I have a dedicated team of moderators who are willing to enforce those rules. All the other forums crumbled within a few months because they were chaos. SR has been running strong for 6 years through it's ups and downs. Have you ever seen field of dreams? "If you build it they will come." Well I had a vision for the "perfect" scooter community so I built it and they came. I have NEVER forced anyone to use my site, they simply prefer it because I do it better than anyone else. Yes, I inadvertently gained certain benefits by creating this community but you have to remember I was 17 years old at the time and never could have foreseen the growth the sport has experienced within the last few years. I had always hoped and dreamed it would explode one day and that I could take part in history but when that day actually comes you never fully grasp the enormity of your situation. NEVER have I abused or taken advantage of this community and NEVER will I. That is probably the single biggest insult in that whole post.

"The results" - Yes, I make a living off of SR and PROTO. It is my job to try and supply the sport with the best scooter parts I can possibly make and I get paid to do it. Sometimes I get it right and sometimes I don't but when I don't I do my best to make it right with my customers and to improve the product next time around. Either way "perfection" is the goal. It is total BS though saying that PROTO is the only company out there. Have you seen the YOUR SCOOTER thread lately??? The amount of companies getting involved with the sport now is crazy and I will be the first person to say competition is good and that it is nice to finally have some (only joking, kind of). I am super psyched on RAD, Inward, Micro and French ID to name a few. To me it just sounds like someone is trying to get into the scooter making business but the competition is too tough so they want the standards lowered for them to get their foot in the door which isn't going to happen. Companies competing is what pushes us to make better and better parts for everyone to benefit from. You have to be ready to compete with the big boys if you want to make kiddie toys. The rest of this "results" section was just a bunch of rambling that I didn't quite understand why it was in there... I need to have an appreciation for friends, trips, injuries and enjoyment if I want scooters to grow and be a real sport one day??? ACTUALLY, if you want the sport to grow and be "real" you need to have global media exposure (SR), companies backing you and companies manufacturing parts and backing teams(PROTO, RAD, French ID, Micro, Razor?) and then you have to know how to market the shit out of it to the masses. That is business and that is what I am trying to do. I am promoting this sport on a lot grander scale than "riding" with your buddies, going on trips, getting hurt and enjoying yourself which in the end are all very self-center motivations. And again, I DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY!

Basically none of those "facts" were supported with any evidence what so ever. It is all opinion and as you can see they are wrong.



What I really want to know (this is a question for John Radtke, and answering is not optional if you think you are going to come on my site and bad mouth me, my company and the site I so graciously allow you to bad mouth me on): What have YOU done for the scooter community?

 

[Madis]

can i get my proto wheels replaced? i dehubbed them and its pass the date... idk what to do, especially if i pay that much for scooter wheels.

If you ordered from WEE, you need to read the WEE newspage. Deadline is 28th Feb for international orders.

Contact me at info@weescooters.com

 

[Jason]

@Haters: Please explain how WEE, C4, RAD, Eaglesport, SOA, Aus Scooter Parts, Inward and Scooter Zone are still selling their parts.

 

[the_SD_local]

sucks to hear that, were nothing more than riders like yourself, who are just trying to set something right and make everything fair for everyone.

If thats not something that is respectable, then i truly feel sorry for those who disagree.


Andrew, im sorry you seem to see everything this way.

Its the community that will decide where scootering will go, not your creations.

Hopefully you will realise that and treat them all a little more fairly.

You may have a few tidbits of info on other companies, but as you can see, proto is everywhere on sr, that is the bias of it all.

The manner of which that you advertise your products, typically you say that they are the best out of any comparable product, and that they are superior to everyone in everyway.

"Securing the future of scootering".. more or less is a big statement, especially when its on a large forum that you are "spoon-feeding" this all to.

I havent seen much on srs mainpage telling about many other companies other than proto.

But anyways, i can see that im wasting my time with you and you obviously dont get it.

You can choose to keep me on here, or ban me or whatever, i havent done anything wrong according to your rules, just spoken my mind on what is what, and there is no rule against that.

Either way, im done trying to reason with you, and im glad i at least tried to explain the truth to everyone even if i do lose some respect.

I never asked for any of it in the first place, it just happened from enjoying riding with my friends and progressing like everyone else, and im glad ive wasted it on something worthwhile.

After reading this I am certain that you are delusional. Have you not read anything I said? This does not excuse you from answering the question above either.

 

[tdadd]

That post is a bunch of fancy talk with no real substance and a bunch of inaccuracies trying to rewrite history. He is talking like he is some kind of visionary scooter prophet trying to lead his people to the holy land and away from their persecutors...

I'm not going to voice my opinion on either side of this argument. Although, this may be one of the greatest statements on this website of all time.

 

[Snow Patrol]

hey andrew what about jons post
reply to that too

That post is a bunch of fancy talk with no real substance and a bunch of inaccuracies trying to rewrite history. He is talking like he is some kind of visionary scooter prophet trying to lead his people to the holy land and away from their persecutors...

"The facts" - Yea, I probably am one of the only people if not the only person in the world in the position I am in but it did not just "fall into my lap". I have had a vision since I was 15 years old to ride scooters for the rest of my life and to help others do the same and I have been working towards my goals ever since.

"The reason behind it" - Yes, the community IS it's users and I love each and every one of my loyal members because without you guys SR would be nothing and that is my life and that is not the first time I have said that. This is where it starts getting bogus though: The fact of the matter is there were NUMEROUS competing forums and "companies" even recently (anyone remember FAB? lol). SR got where it is because I was the first and still the only freestyle scooter forum to write a set of rules and strictly enforce them so all my members can have an enjoyable experience here and I truly believe to this day that that is what set me apart which is why I make sure I have a dedicated team of moderators who are willing to enforce those rules. All the other forums crumbled within a few months because they were chaos. SR has been running strong for 6 years through it's ups and downs. Have you ever seen field of dreams? "If you build it they will come." Well I had a vision for the "perfect" scooter community so I built it and they came. I have NEVER forced anyone to use my site, they simply prefer it because I do it better than anyone else. Yes, I inadvertently gained certain benefits by creating this community but you have to remember I was 17 years old at the time and never could have foreseen the growth the sport has experienced within the last few years. I had always hoped and dreamed it would explode one day and that I could take part in history but when that day actually comes you never fully grasp the enormity of your situation. NEVER have I abused or taken advantage of this community and NEVER will I. That is probably the single biggest insult in that whole post.

"The results" - Yes, I make a living off of SR and PROTO. It is my job to try and supply the sport with the best scooter parts I can possibly make and I get paid to do it. Sometimes I get it right and sometimes I don't but when I don't I do my best to make it right with my customers and to improve the product next time around. Either way "perfection" is the goal. It is total BS though saying that PROTO is the only company out there. Have you seen the YOUR SCOOTER thread lately??? The amount of companies getting involved with the sport now is crazy and I will be the first person to say competition is good and that it is nice to finally have some (only joking, kind of). I am super psyched on RAD, Inward, Micro and French ID to name a few. To me it just sounds like someone is trying to get into the scooter making business but the competition is too tough so they want the standards lowered for them to get their foot in the door which isn't going to happen. Companies competing is what pushes us to make better and better parts for everyone to benefit from. You have to be ready to compete with the big boys if you want to make kiddie toys. The rest of this "results" section was just a bunch of rambling that I didn't quite understand why it was in there... I need to have an appreciation for friends, trips, injuries and enjoyment if I want scooters to grow and be a real sport one day??? ACTUALLY, if you want the sport to grow and be "real" you need to have global media exposure (SR), companies backing you and companies manufacturing parts and backing teams(PROTO, RAD, French ID, Micro, Razor?) and then you have to know how to market the shit out of it to the masses. That is business and that is what I am trying to do. I am promoting this sport on a lot grander scale than "riding" with your buddies, going on trips, getting hurt and enjoying yourself which in the end are all very self-center motivations. And again, I DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY!

Basically none of those "facts" were supported with any evidence what so ever. It is all opinion and as you can see they are wrong.



What I really want to know (this is a question for John Radtke, and answering is not optional if you think you are going to come on my site and bad mouth me, my company and the site I so graciously allow you to bad mouth me on): What have YOU done for the scooter community?

I may not have been as lucky as you, having all the backing and naive trust of the community to help build an empire.

But I do what i can with what i have got, i ride whenever i can because it is much more than just a "selfish thing" when i ride with my friends and have fun with it, so i'll thank you to never call that selfish again because that the one thing i am serious about.

Anyways, Ive been going to college working on 2 majors(both of which i plan on using in the future within the sport) trying to film a gigantic video(which had alot of setbacks), start a decent scooter shirt company (setbacks aswell) to try and somehow help change the image we all have, all while working towards getting some of the things most take for granted.

My "goals" have had alot of setbacks, but what matters is that i still try my hardest to make them happen, and do it to the best of my ability no matter how many setbacks, or how long it takes.. Yes they all involve scooters.

And further, what i am doing for the community is what im trying to do now, show that you are running a biased site.

Its not really what i have done i suppose, but what i am going to try and do, and not by myself.


I'll tell you what i am not doing.

Controlling the community and using it to further my own company.

sr is virtually your safety blanket you dont have to go through the hassle that the other companies have to go through to sell products.

you already have the trust of the people who use your site
and you control every aspect of advertisement on here.
you virtually had it all handed to you, when it was the people who come on here (the real community) who gave you this opportunity, that you treat unfairly when they decide to try and do something for the sport like make a company.

By treating companies unfair, i am referring to your bias of being both the owner of sr, and a company that you use to make money and support yourself.


More or less im simply saying that your policies need to be fair to the other goddamn companies, but you seem to see everything i say as some sort of insult.


Anyways, andrew. Im going to bed, i have class tomorrow so i'll argue with you some other time.

 

[Hep Greg]

ROUND 3... FIGHT!

 

[the_SD_local]

Thank you for your input John, I will take it into consideration. Now please stay out of my thread because I am not arguing with you anymore.

 

[coryM]

John, I know how you feel about this but If you make good sh1t, it will sell. You dont NEED Sr to advertise or anything. Go get your sh!t sold in stores. We've been selling our sh!t in play it again sports since before christmas. Theres more to the sport than Sr. Try starting out by selling your parts in a local bike shop.

I do agree Sr makes people think like its the only thing that matters in the sport. Look at yourself. You think Sr is so important that you will not succeed as a company without it.

Just trying to help man.


And Andrew, I have to agree with pretty much everything you said about the sport. Lets all be friends, get along and let the products do the talking from now on! !lol

 

[the_SD_local]

You know, I'm just locking this. This thread is toasted. Almost made a 100 pages though! Thanks guys!

I'll make a new one when I have something cool to talk about!

 

[JDBen]

this is the old one right?