vans dunbar 2's there cheap, they have this like gel that sole that comes, in them i for like 4 months no ripes and the bottoms are barley worn and i usually ride everyday, and i can really tell the differennce when i jump stuff high and land if i wear other shoes my feet get numb and stink but in those there fine, and they have a tall outter sole so there not real low to the ground there great in my opoions best shoes ive ever worn for scootering