The "Elite" and what they do to control us

[humpurple kushiones]

Yes, anything that big traveling at 450mph hitting anything that sturdy is going to cause an explosion. And the fire would not have burned out because of the lack of fuel because although it was a steel building, there was flammable material in it. And who said it had to be hot enough to melt the steel? Steel looses a lot of strength when its exposed to fire for that long, especially fires that big, which would have easily made the floor weak enough to collapse and cause the floors to pancake from the immense pressure of the floors on top..

What else?

 

[Rob.]

There goes anthony again kicking ass and taking names

 

[charliemein]

Yes, anything that big traveling at 450mph hitting anything that sturdy is going to cause an explosion. And the fire would not have burned out because of the lack of fuel because although it was a steel building, there was flammable material in it. And who said it had to be hot enough to melt the steel? Steel looses a lot of strength when its exposed to fire for that long, especially fires that big, which would have easily made the floor weak enough to collapse and cause the floors to pancake from the immense pressure of the floors on top..

What else?

sorry i went to bed, yeah but they saw that the metal had properly melted, so yeah the impact would of shook the building but wouldnt of melt it and nothing burning in the building would of melted it aswell, im pretty sure they would test against that kind of stuff.

Also, the point which swayed me to there side was the fact the planes were initially hijacked almost 2 hours before they hit the buildings, they lost contact which would obviously mean that theres a problem or that there under attack. The normal protocol for this kind of situation is for 2 fighter jets to fly in and either try and make contact or intercept the flight, but in this case they were told to stand down and not do anything, doesnt that look abit strange to you? It was atleast 2 hours before the impact so the planes wont have been near the city so theres no way that they were worried about falling planes raining down on a city, had they been taken down by the jets.

 

[btyczki21]

Dreeeew ford caused 9/11.........sorry inside joke hahaha

anyways the government didnt need 9/11 to go to war with Iraq, thats what the WMD's were for. lol good ole georgy

 

[humpurple kushiones]

sorry i went to bed, yeah but they saw that the metal had properly melted, so yeah the impact would of shook the building but wouldnt of melt it and nothing burning in the building would of melted it aswell, im pretty sure they would test against that kind of stuff.

Also, the point which swayed me to there side was the fact the planes were initially hijacked almost 2 hours before they hit the buildings, they lost contact which would obviously mean that theres a problem or that there under attack. The normal protocol for this kind of situation is for 2 fighter jets to fly in and either try and make contact or intercept the flight, but in this case they were told to stand down and not do anything, doesnt that look abit strange to you? It was atleast 2 hours before the impact so the planes wont have been near the city so theres no way that they were worried about falling planes raining down on a city, had they been taken down by the jets.

Had they been taken down by the jets, the american public would have been PISSED.. there were citizens on that plane, they cant just shoot it out of the sky and call it a day.

Lets talk about this molten metal business. The molten metal was NOT steel, it was aluminum from the jet which melts at 640c.. well below the 1000c that was apparently how hot the fires were. As far as the "rivers of molten IRON" on ground zero are concerned, super heated iron creates an exothermic reaction with air and steam, which would keep the metal hot for a very long time.

http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/626_molten_metal.jpg

There is said steam.

More please.

 

[btyczki21]

Had they been taken down by the jets, the american public would have been PISSED.. there WERE citizens on that plane, they cant just shoot the damn thing out of the sky and call it a day.

Lets talk about this molten metal business. The molten metal was NOT steel, it was aluminum from the jet which melts at 640c.. well below the 1000c that was apparently how hot the fires were. As far as the "rivers of molten IRON" on ground zero are concerned, super heated iron creates an exothermic reaction with air and steam, which would keep the metal hot for a very long time.

http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/626_molten_metal.jpg

There is said steam.

More please.

Bold #1: but look at how many lives they could have saved. whats 160 lives compared to almost 3,000? if i were on the plane i would have been fine with them shooting it down to save others, but thats just me.

Bold #2: most kids probably dont know what that means but basically it is a type of reaction in chemistry that releases light/heat energy

 

[humpurple kushiones]

Bold #1: but look at how many lives they could have saved. whats 160 lives compared to almost 3,000? if i were on the plane i would have been fine with them shooting it down to save others, but thats just me.

But it was unknown at the time where exactly the hijackers were going and whether or not they actually wanted to get something out of it (holding the entire plane hostage) or if they just wanted to kill a bunch of people.

 

[btyczki21]

But it was unknown at the time where exactly the hijackers were going and whether or not they actually wanted to get something out of it (holding the entire plane hostage) or if they just wanted to kill a bunch of people.

no it was not known that they would use the planes to crash into the WTC specificaly, but months leading up to the attack al qaeda gave plenty of warnings implying an imminent and massive attack on U.S. soil involving aircrafts....

 

[humpurple kushiones]

no it was not known that they would use the planes to crash into the WTC specificaly, but months leading up to the attack al qaeda gave plenty of warnings implying an imminent and massive attack on U.S. soil involving aircrafts....

But how could you be sure it was al qaeda in those planes? 2 hours is not enough time to launch and conclude an investigation beyond reasonable doubt and take down the airliners making sure they weren't over a populated area. That would require they have foreknowledge of the trajectory of the plane, then calculate exactly where the plane would crash at the time it's taken out, then have to predict what the hijackers would do when they realize the plane is hit and where they would steer it, all with a fractional margin of error.

It would simply have been impossible to take out the planes without putting lives on the ground in danger, that coupled with the fact that they couldn't conclude these people wanted to harm anyone would have made the call to take the planes out a really really sketchy move that the government would obviously have regretted if the plane landed in a densely populated area or if it turned out that they were holding the plane hostage and not planing to run it into the towers.. Its a lose lose situation.

 

[btyczki21]

But how could you be sure it was al qaeda in those planes? 2 hours is not enough time to launch and conclude an investigation beyond reasonable doubt and take down the airliners making sure they weren't over a populated area. That would require they have foreknowledge of the trajectory of the plane, then calculate exactly where the plane would crash at the time it's taken out, then have to predict what the hijackers would do when they realize the plane is hit and where they would steer it, all with a fractional margin of error.

It would simply have been impossible to take out the planes without putting lives on the ground in danger, that coupled with the fact that couldn't conclude these people wanted to harm anyone would have made the call to take the planes out a really really sketchy move that the government would obviously have regretted if the plane landed in a densely populated area or if it turned out that they were holding the plane hostage and not planing to run it into the towers.. Its a lose lose situation.

after doing some reserch the two planes that hit the buildings werent even intercepted by the jets until they were already in the New York Area. so yea shooting those down would have been pretty bad.

united 93 is the best example of how the idea of shooting a plane down would be better, but they shot it down themselves from inside the plane.

 

[J SWEETS]

^^^ this right here is how every discussion in these threads should be.
Properly written and thought out, research behind it and noones being hostile.
Jolly good show I dare say.

 

[humpurple kushiones]

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...sence-engaging-human-race-disclosure/wfYDlmlG


oh my good golly gosh.

some background on what that is, the government is holding petitions.. obamas going to address the ones with over 5000 sigs.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petitions/popular/0/2/0/