And the weld are with a new rod the best you can use, boeing, the plane company uses it. The thresh was perfect because it was 4.5 and had legit boxed sides. The Orion has a 4" bottom while the threshold has a 4.5" bottom which doesn't seem like a lot but after riding a pro model with reinforcement whic has a 4" bottom it actually does make a diffence. And the the Phoenix, I mean come one everyone has one if I were you I'd onnly be looking at the Orion and the threshold
Also I added more detailed pictures in the eye candy thread so you can look at those to see what's new