Political Discussion Thread

[seankane]

but not all Christians are like that

i'm talking about church doctrine, not what individual people belive

 

[felinaferoz]

id like to throw in that a lot of you kids are christian.
and you are so fucking hypocritical, shit ceases to amaze me.

if you are not religious, and you say this shit that bashes other people, you actually dont have morals and your opinions are worthless.

like benthompson. i dont know you but on the gay part. so your homaphobic, then you ought to either seek help to mildly get over it or refrain from doing stupid shit that will lead to jail time.
if youre a christian (practicing) which i would have to assume you are since your from aussie, then you obviously cannot forgive "sinners" like the christ youre supposed to believe in.

and if youre a none believer, you just suck, your ignorant, and are prejudice.

thats COMPLETELY JUDING AN ENTIRE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FOR SOMETHING ONLY A PERCENT OF THEM DO.
im a practicing christian and no i dont think homosexual/bisexual people are right in there descions. But thats their personal choice and i have learned to cope with peoples choices and love them like i do any other person.
Infact most of the homosexual/bisexual people i know are so incredibly nice and that has really helped me to not judge them.
Yeah i dont like seeing to dudes or two chicks making out in public.. (well maybe two chicks hahahaha.) (just kidding) but if thats what they wanna do them AMEN to that!!!!.

Not all christians are judge mental bastards like some portray us as.
EDIT
and if were supposed to love people like christ then we should love them like we do anyone else by treating them equal and respecting them as people. Its wrong to judge them.
and Jesus has lunch with the tax collectors that people did not like. So that leads me to believe me that Jesus would be chillin with the homosexual/bisexuals in this day and age.

i edited this a litttle bit.

i read that the first time you edited it.
"Jesus has lunch with the tax collectors that people did not like. So that leads me to believe me that Jesus would be chillin with the homosexual/bisexuals in this day and age."

thats what im getting at.
and im with sean im talking about church doctrine.
and im saying a lot of kids are self proclaimed jesus lovers, but how can you be if your so hxc about disliking people without knowing if theyre dickbags.

 

[Forest12]

I think the religion "cristianity" (which is my religion) doesnt hate gay's.

you obviously don't know much about your religion. christianity has openly condemned homosexuality and called it a sin. the church teaches that people that engage in sodomy (buttsex) will go to hell.

oh and that applies to straight people, too. stick it in a girls butt and you're going to hell.

Dude those are seriuos seriuos christians who hate everyone but christians. And yea most christians are very very nice people (atleast in washington and minnesota) and dont mind the gay's. And to tell you the truth there really nice and decent people, They just like guys.
For example, most girls are best friends with gay dudes because of how nice they are. (im just respecting them because there humans. I hate homosexualty. It disguist me.)

 

[humpurple kushiones]

i love every one.

sexual orientation does not matter anymore.
i dont care. let gays be gay.

this isnt a religious thread so i dont think we should be making it one?

 

[Forest12]

^truee.
I respect them because there humans, but im not gonna be good friends with them. My moms bestfriend was gay and i thought he was so cool and then she told me he has been gay since he was 13. And hes extremely cool. But the moment they touch a dude im ---ing leaving!

 

[scooterperu]

peru sucks

 

[tanner markley]

On the topic of christianity vs. homosexuals, I heard somewhere that there's been some evidence that homosexuality isn't a lifestyle choice, but rather occurs at birth, so I looked into it and found an article on it ( http://news.softpedia.com/news/Homosexual-by-Birth-41918.shtml ). If that's true, then that might make a big change in many christians' attitudes - homosexuals will then probably have to be considered in the same way as disabled people, and there will probably be some revisions made to the bible (the holy bible: the revised 21st century edition LOL, word of god right thurr eh), either that or all the creationists will argue to death that the evidence is false, etc, etc.

im not reading any of the other shitty posts
but i read a lot of articles like that and it deals with the sex hormones given to you in the womb are obviously different.
they did a test with twins, and found 50 percent or something like that if one was gay, so was the other.

theyve already proved that its before birth, the problem is they cant figure out where this gene is or if it is a gene or something to do with the mother.

and a lot of you obv wont know this but if one person in your family is gay chances are there are more then one.

k good so now we know their half retarted too

 

[danielwarwick]

dan knows this the most on here but the whole catholic/christian religion is completely fucked up.
they're supposed to be all loving and accepting, but they reject gay's?

there's obviously a problem there

we can talk about this all we want but im pretty sure im not the only one who really wants something to happen about it. but oh well

you're generalizing.

christians should treat gays like they would treat murderers, thieves, and adulterers. they shouldn't judge them, but rather accept them for who they are, and perhaps try to change them for the better. i think most christians would do that...you're basing your beliefs off crazed radicals.

that's a huge judgment as a christian to try to change a homosexual because they don't meet your standards of living a perfect life. homosexuals are born that way, scientists have actually discovered the gay gene. why would somebody choose to be discriminated their whole life? you don't choose to be gay, you are born that way.

okay, here goes on other topics.

abortion - we need to federally fund better sexual education programs and stop abstinence programs, because they don't work. we also need to stop the immense bible bashing because that leads to a higher rate of abortions and unwanted pregnancies (the highest rates are in the conservative religious states), we must work on cutting down abortions but there is no way we can outlaw them, therefore i respect a woman's right to choose.

gun rights - stricter background checks and assault weapon bans, also pose stricter laws on concealed handguns (pretty soon in texas they won't have to be concealed)

gay marriage - completely for it and you're a bigot if you aren't, straight up. i don't care if your religion is against it, your religion is also for stoning disobedient kids to death and killing adulterers. i don't care if homosexuals can't reproduce, we let sterile heterosexuals get married who cannot have kids. and i don't care if it grosses you out, get the fuck over yourself.

death penalty - against it. stick them in jail for life and let them pay for their crime there. besides, it costs less to jail someone their whole life than to kill them.

iraq - we need to get the hell out, out of the ENTIRE middle east. we fucked everything up over there and all we're doing over there is losing innocent people and killing innocent people, over a million iraqis are estimated to have died.

israel - we need to stop giving them so much money that's buying their weapons they use to kill thousands of innocent children. if they can't even abide by the rules of war, then why should we give them a dime? israel does NOTHING for us and we need to get the hell out of the middle east altogether.

economy - we need to put harsher regulations on the banking industry and stop deregulating every single thing. the bailout was horrible, yet i agree with bailing out with the auto industry just because of the incredible amount of jobs related to that industry that would be lost otherwise. we need to have oversight on the TARP funds and hold corrupt ceo's accountable.

 

[dre]

to everyone that advocates the death penalty?

do you really think a quick death is harsher punishment than rotting away the remainder of your life captive in a 6x8 cell?

and from a strictly capitalist point of view, sentencing someone to death cost taxpayers more than what the average person would cost if they spent the rest of their life in prison.

I still don't understand how this works. I might be misinterpreting what you're saying, but doesn't a bullet cost much less than sustaining someone (feeding them, etc.) for their entire life in prison? Not that I advocate the death penalty or anything, I'm all for sticking someone in jail to rot if they've done something really serious, and also the way I see it, if the US government has sooo much "extra money" to spend on the war effort, they would presumably have no problem keeping serial murderers and rapists alive in prison to rot for the rest of their lives for a little extra cost..

 

[CodyChirichiello]

to everyone that advocates the death penalty?

do you really think a quick death is harsher punishment than rotting away the remainder of your life captive in a 6x8 cell?

and from a strictly capitalist point of view, sentencing someone to death cost taxpayers more than what the average person would cost if they spent the rest of their life in prison.

I still don't understand how this works. I might be misinterpreting what you're saying, but doesn't a bullet cost much less than sustaining someone (feeding them, etc.) for their entire life in prison? Not that I advocate the death penalty or anything, I'm all for sticking someone in jail to rot if they've done something really serious, and also the way I see it, if the US government has sooo much "extra money" to spend on the war effort, they would presumably have no problem keeping serial murderers and rapists alive in prison to rot for the rest of their lives for a little extra cost..

Its the way the court system works. when somebody is put on death row they need to like redo the trial and go through so many appeals and shit.

 

[master]

About this 'You are born gay' arguement, I disagree. I believe it is how you have grown up, and that would explain why in twins there is a high chance that both will have the same sexual preferance.

When i was 12-13 i though or may have been homaphobic but now im not, I respect the persons view. Yet i belive that the meaning of life is to reproduce (extremely dull and single minded i know) so just because i dont think being gay/lesbian is wrong by no means do i think its right.

 

[humpurple kushiones]

About this 'You are born gay' arguement, I disagree. I believe it is how you have grown up, and that would explain why in twins there is a high chance that both will have the same sexual preferance.

When i was 12-13 i though or may have been homaphobic but now im not, I respect the persons view. Yet i belive that the meaning of life is to reproduce (extremely dull and single minded i know) so just because i dont think being gay/lesbian is wrong by no means do i think its right.

pretty much

 

[seankane]

iraq - we need to get the hell out, out of the ENTIRE middle east.

of course we have to get out of iraq. but you're saying the entire middle east? so you think we should pull our troops out of afghanistan too? i don't understand how anyone could think that...

 

[CodyChirichiello]

iraq - we need to get the hell out, out of the ENTIRE middle east.

of course we have to get out of iraq. but you're saying the entire middle east? so you think we should pull our troops out of afghanistan too? i don't understand how anyone could think that...

well pulling out of a terrorist stronghold is a good idea, duh

 

[danielwarwick]

iraq - we need to get the hell out, out of the ENTIRE middle east.

of course we have to get out of iraq. but you're saying the entire middle east? so you think we should pull our troops out of afghanistan too? i don't understand how anyone could think that...

or at least formulate an entire new plan, nothing is or has gotten accomplished.

a former british intelligence official said this:

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US."

i think the amount of terrorists that want to kill us in the world is so blown out of proportion.

 

[jtom2343]

wow
17/23 top al-Qaede leaders have been captured and you're saying there is no al-Qaeda?
read "the looming tower: al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11" by lawrence wright, and then tell me there is no al-Qaeda

 

[Rob.]

death penalty - against it. stick them in jail for life and let them pay for their crime there. besides, it costs less to jail someone their whole life than to kill them.

UH. How does three square meals a day FOR EACH person in prison cost less than a shot of jesus juice per death?

 

[Humma]

I think the death penalty is fair.
Kill someone and you should be killed. it's only fair.

 

[danielwarwick]

wow
17/23 top al-Qaede leaders have been captured and you're saying there is no al-Qaeda?
read "the looming tower: al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11" by lawrence wright, and then tell me there is no al-Qaeda

i'm not saying there is no al-qaeda, i'm saying their motives are completely different than we are led to believe. if a terrorist really wanted to attack us, you have no idea how easy it would be. nobody wants to attack us, it's propaganda.

 

[Tylerr.]

Okay danny
all i wanna know is WHY obama lifted the ban or w/e and is letting OUR tax money go to other countrys getting aborations were you say were like some billion dollars in debt.
just wanna know
NOT create conflict.