The Bible?

[jake[whc]]

no its extremely slow

it would of been over thousands of years. first they would of developed webbed feet, etc.

they hunted in the water, thats why they start developing more features to benefit that. and im sure there is hundreds of other examples.

speed doesnt matter, what matters is when they have enough of these changes to be weak in hunting and surviving they are at a major disadvantage and will probably die.

what would a coyote do nowadays if it had webbed feet and couldnt breathe right?
itd be fucked.

shut up about the double post shit,

i dont know what a coyote is, but if it is like a wolf kinda creature then it would develop the webbed feet and still live on land, but hunt in the waters.

then it would become amphibious and still do the same but spend more time in the water, etc etc etc.

they would not do it, if there was a major disadvantage, or if it was a major disadvantage then yes they would die out, but they didnt.

humans have disadvantaged in some way, because we once had alot better hearing and smell sight whatever, but as we became more intelligent using tools etc to catch food we had no need for those features so they were lost. an example is the appendix no one knows what it was used for so it must of been used for eating something we dont eat now or some activity that is not done now. and scientist think it will disappear after a while just like the wolves fur or nails.

ok when the wolf reaches the point where it is half wolf half dolphin it cannot catch food or breathe!

it cant swim fast enough to catch fish, and it cant go deep enough to eat other types of fish that dolphins eat because it lacks the fully develpoed organs to withstand the pressure and breathe right.

it definatly cant hunt on land and catch its food with legs that are any different because they need that speed and their grip to hunt things on the land.

and fuck, even the thought of if an animal had mutated so many times just right to where it can perfectly become another species is just rediculous man, i mean cmon now. thats 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...etc... ya know?

how often do we see a mutation in animals nowadays that actually benefits the poor goddamn animal?

and wouldnt you think that if there was a ]we would be able to breed them because of their genetics? i mean they are the same animal right?[/b] lol

the animals cant lose their genetics, because different dog breeds havent lost theirs, and neither have have dolphins genetics either, so thelink between the two should stil be there and we should be able to breed them if it were true.... incase your wondering.. its not..

i dont know alot about this stuff but evolution is currently happening in every living thing, its just happening that slow we cant see that it is. i guess it would be the same for the wolf to dolphin thing, as they gradually take a step forwards in evolution they gradually learn how to live under them circumstances, so even though they may be fucked up they would of had so much time (thousands of years) to know how to survive like that. i dont know alot about genetics as i dont do biology anymore but i would say their genetics mutate as they evolve making their traits different??? so they cant breed even though they were once the same?? look it up on wikipedia.org or in an encyclopedia if you want to know the correct stuff.

i dont even know what we are talking about now? we started on the bible now we are talking about creation vs evolution, which has already had a court case in the USA about which should be taught in science there. thats how stuck you yanks are on creation, and i know it is from like the 1920's so dont be all smart and say it was a long time ago (not you john)

sorry about spelling and shit

 

[danielwarwick]

im out of middle school, and you would not know how smart i am from a discussion over the net. im not even fucking banned they just wont take it off. you should be smarter of me, since you are four years older.

i have seen heaps of docs in history and in english on religion etc. all have said that evil was created by religion as a means of attracting believers so they dont go to "hell". LOOK IT UP.

ten commandments? handed by god to moses?

ok im sorry i made one wording mistake by saying buy and not belief in, and i also fucking said abide with, i reposted if you cant fucking read that??? which if you look up and place it in the sentence means the same thing as belief.

jesus did not write the new testament, it is "believed" that the apostles or disciples did, you tug.

what is the message behind it? seriously.

So by that do you mean that the church created hell to scare people into doing good things? If thats what you mean, think about it this way. Ever since the start of man people have done good things and had good judgement, you don't need someone to say that you're going to hell just for you to act good. If that was the case man would have killed itself off.

 

[seankane]

im out of middle school, and you would not know how smart i am from a discussion over the net. im not even fucking banned they just wont take it off. you should be smarter of me, since you are four years older.

i have seen heaps of docs in history and in english on religion etc. all have said that evil was created by religion as a means of attracting believers so they dont go to "hell". LOOK IT UP.

ten commandments? handed by god to moses?

ok im sorry i made one wording mistake by saying buy and not belief in, and i also fucking said abide with, i reposted if you cant fucking read that??? which if you look up and place it in the sentence means the same thing as belief.

jesus did not write the new testament, it is "believed" that the apostles or disciples did, you tug.

what is the message behind it? seriously.

i really don't understand much of what you said, so this is going to be tough.


you've seen docs?... cool. me too.

no one created evil. evil is evil and good is good. its common sense, if you need a church to tell you what is evil and what isn't then you're dumber than i thought, which is saying alot.

ten commandments? handed to god by moses? sure, if you say so.

its not my fault you don't know correct wording, so i don't know why you're all pissed off about the word abide. it seems like a pretty nice word to me. abide abide abide, i could say it all day.

no shit jesus didn't write the new testament. it supposedly written by his apostles, although thats very hard to believe since some of the books have been dated to about 70ad. those dudes must've lived pretty long lives to write that.

what i said jesus gave us rules in the new testament, if you weren't such a dumbass you'd see that. ever hear of the sermon on the mount? beatitudes? you know, just thing jesus said. rules, if you will, packed with messages.

now hurry up and reply so i can make you look dumb some more, i like it.

 

[Snow Patrol]

no its extremely slow

it would of been over thousands of years. first they would of developed webbed feet, etc.

they hunted in the water, thats why they start developing more features to benefit that. and im sure there is hundreds of other examples.

speed doesnt matter, what matters is when they have enough of these changes to be weak in hunting and surviving they are at a major disadvantage and will probably die.

what would a coyote do nowadays if it had webbed feet and couldnt breathe right?
itd be fucked.

shut up about the double post shit,

i dont know what a coyote is, but if it is like a wolf kinda creature then it would develop the webbed feet and still live on land, but hunt in the waters.

then it would become amphibious and still do the same but spend more time in the water, etc etc etc.

they would not do it, if there was a major disadvantage, or if it was a major disadvantage then yes they would die out, but they didnt.

humans have disadvantaged in some way, because we once had alot better hearing and smell sight whatever, but as we became more intelligent using tools etc to catch food we had no need for those features so they were lost. an example is the appendix no one knows what it was used for so it must of been used for eating something we dont eat now or some activity that is not done now. and scientist think it will disappear after a while just like the wolves fur or nails.

ok when the wolf reaches the point where it is half wolf half dolphin it cannot catch food or breathe!

it cant swim fast enough to catch fish, and it cant go deep enough to eat other types of fish that dolphins eat because it lacks the fully develpoed organs to withstand the pressure and breathe right.

it definatly cant hunt on land and catch its food with legs that are any different because they need that speed and their grip to hunt things on the land.

and fuck, even the thought of if an animal had mutated so many times just right to where it can perfectly become another species is just rediculous man, i mean cmon now. thats 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...etc... ya know?

how often do we see a mutation in animals nowadays that actually benefits the poor goddamn animal?

and wouldnt you think that if there was a ]we would be able to breed them because of their genetics? i mean they are the same animal right?[/b] lol

the animals cant lose their genetics, because different dog breeds havent lost theirs, and neither have have dolphins genetics either, so thelink between the two should stil be there and we should be able to breed them if it were true.... incase your wondering.. its not..

i dont know alot about this stuff but evolution is currently happening in every living thing, its just happening that slow we cant see that it is. i guess it would be the same for the wolf to dolphin thing, as they gradually take a step forwards in evolution they gradually learn how to live under them circumstances, so even though they may be fucked up they would of had so much time (thousands of years) to know how to survive like that. i dont know alot about genetics as i dont do biology anymore but i would say their genetics mutate as they evolve making their traits different??? so they cant breed even though they were once the same?? look it up on wikipedia.org or in an encyclopedia if you want to know the correct stuff.

i dont even know what we are talking about now? we started on the bible now we are talking about creation vs evolution, which has already had a court case in the USA about which should be taught in science there. thats how stuck you yanks are on creation, and i know it is from like the 1920's so dont be all smart and say it was a long time ago (not you john)

sorry about spelling and shit

alright whatever, agree to disagree then. seems how neither of us can agree on wtf the other is trying to say. we dont need to waste our time.

convincing you isnt really even that important to me. so do whatever you please.

 

[the_SD_local]

This whole thread has turned into the most retarded argument ever.

Whether you like it or not the Bible is a real book and NOTHING in it has ever been disproven. Even if you don't agree with or find the spiritual side hard to believe you still cannot contest the historical, cultural and geographical accuracy contained in the book. The people, places and events in the Bible all really happened and have been recorded in multiple other writings besides the Bible. Jesus was made up? mmm... no. He was a real man and a very widely known and respected man in his time. Whether or not he is the son of God is up to you to decide. As far as evolution goes... who really cares? If God created us and all the plants and animals out of thin air then that is pretty damn amazing and I think attests to his greatness and if the universe just "happened" into existence unassisted (which is a completely retarded idea) and over the last however many billions of years life evolved into the creatures we are and see today then I think that attests to God's greatness as well if he can design a life support system that can reproduce, grow and evolve infinitely. Either way something happened way back when "the world began" that science will never be able to explain so it is easier to just accept the fact that there probably is something more powerful than ourselves and science out there and stop acting like a bunch of asses online trying to debunk the Bible and spirituality because it cannot be done.

Most of the passages in the Bible that people love to criticize were out of The OLD Testament before the life and teachings of Jesus (The New Testament) which was meant as a revision/addition not to mention The Old Testament was written over 2,000 years ago. Most of you kids out there probably can't even relate to your grandparents and the life and culture they grew up with let alone a biblical scholar from 2 and a half millennia ago. The Bible has little to no relevance in modern day because of it's age which is why you have to have enough common sense to be able to interpret it's teachings on your own into your life and not take them so literally.

O and about heaven and hell being made up... you know what never mind. Read some of Kaney's posts and try taking some religion studies classes OR better yet go buy a Bible, open it and read it instead of speculating over some s--- you watched on the discovery channel and if it still doesn't make any sense then repeat all those steps until it does. In the end I really don't care what anyone else believes because religion and spirituality should be your personal journey through life so when you people try so hard to disprove it, the only person you are talking out of it is yourself.

Love God & Love Others. That is what the Bible says. Period.

 

[seankane]

Love God & Love Others. That is what the Bible says. Period.

 

[jake[whc]]

This whole thread has turned into the most retarded argument ever.

Whether you like it or not the Bible is a real book and NOTHING in it has ever been disproven. Even if you don't agree with or find the spiritual side hard to believe you still cannot contest the historical, cultural and geographical accuracy contained in the book. The people, places and events in the Bible all really happened and have been recorded in multiple other writings besides the Bible. Jesus was made up? mmm... no. He was a real man and a very widely known and respected man in his time. Whether or not he is the son of God is up to you to decide. As far as evolution goes... who really cares? If God created us and all the plants and animals out of thin air then that is pretty damn amazing and I think attests to his greatness and if the universe just "happened" into existence unassisted (which is a completely retarded idea) and over the last however many billions of years life evolved into the creatures we are and see today then I think that attests to God's greatness as well if he can design a life support system that can reproduce, grow and evolve infinitely. Either way something happened way back when "the world began" that science will never be able to explain so it is easier to just accept the fact that there probably is something more powerful than ourselves and science out there and stop acting like a bunch of asses online trying to debunk the Bible and spirituality because it cannot be done.

Most of the passages in the Bible that people love to criticize were out of The OLD Testament before the life and teachings of Jesus (The New Testament) which was meant as a revision/addition not to mention The Old Testament was written over 2,000 years ago. Most of you kids out there probably can't even relate to your grandparents and the life and culture they grew up with let alone a biblical scholar from 2 and a half millennia ago. The Bible has little to no relevance in modern day because of it's age which is why you have to have enough common sense to be able to interpret it's teachings on your own into your life and not take them so literally.

O and about heaven and hell being made up... you know what never mind. Read some of Kaney's posts and try taking some religion studies classes OR better yet go buy a Bible, open it and read it instead of speculating over some s--- you watched on the discovery channel and if it still doesn't make any sense then repeat all those steps until it does. In the end I really don't care what anyone else believes because religion and spirituality should be your personal journey through life so when you people try so hard to disprove it, the only person you are talking out of it is yourself.

Love God & Love Others. That is what the Bible says. Period.

i agree with most of what you said, which is in large what i have been trying to say plus more.

i did do religion class for a few years which is why i know a little about it. two: documentaries are used to "document realty" that is an event which/or is thought to of happened. three, im not speculating i am giving my view point on religion, but sean is too smart and shoots down everything i say, when i have evidence that he just cant comprehend, maybe he should do some comprehension sheets you get in grades 5 to 8. and i did say that it was so old that it cant relate.

with sean's thing on if i need a church to tell me what evil is.. whatever.. it is not i that need to be told, it was the people from thousands of years ago as they did not know what it was. you cant just know something, everything is learnt by experience or being told, that is common sense. eg young children.

couple of other things in the last post sean:

moses DIDNT hand it to god as you said, god handed it to moses. oh but im to stupid to know that you meant to say it the other way cause you didn't say it, sound familiar???

i am giving up on trying to tell you to look up abide and place it in the sentence so ill do it for you: making people buy the book and abide by the shit. = asking people buy the book and to submit to the shit. clearly shit means rules, beliefs whatever but if you what to fuss over that i dont care, cause you and i know what i meant.

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the thing about the nothing is made up i cant be fucked to list a massive amount of things: turning water into wine, walking on water, parting of a 60 + mile wide sea. however, i do believe in most of things happening but being extremely build up that it is impossible. but there is no evidence there was a man named moses, or men being enslaved by egypt(outside of the bible), nor evidence that they crossed the desert for 40 years or however long it was.

i know you are saying "oh there is no proof that it doesnt exist" but the only prove you have that it does is a book from thousands of years ago. that has alot of contradictions and holes in it. which when compared to modern day science looks alot worse.

if you truly believe in god, it will be impossible for anyone to tell you you are wrong, because that is what your god whats you do to: remain loyal.

buff, i cant talk my self out of something i was never in. and im not trying to talk you out of it. im trying give my opinion that the bible is dodge; which is the point of a discussion.

 

[jake[whc]]

im out of middle school, and you would not know how smart i am from a discussion over the net. im not even fucking banned they just wont take it off. you should be smarter of me, since you are four years older.

i have seen heaps of docs in history and in english on religion etc. all have said that evil was created by religion as a means of attracting believers so they dont go to "hell". LOOK IT UP.

ten commandments? handed by god to moses?

ok im sorry i made one wording mistake by saying buy and not belief in, and i also fucking said abide with, i reposted if you cant fucking read that??? which if you look up and place it in the sentence means the same thing as belief.

jesus did not write the new testament, it is "believed" that the apostles or disciples did, you tug.

what is the message behind it? seriously.

So by that do you mean that the church created hell to scare people into doing good things? If thats what you mean, think about it this way. Ever since the start of man people have done good things and had good judgement, you don't need someone to say that you're going to hell just for you to act good. If that was the case man would have killed itself off.

YES, then no.

killing a man is not an act of evil, your soldiers are doing it everyday in the middle east. and why cause it is a "war against evil" quote from big bush. ok, now you think of it like this: people dont kill people cause they know its evil. they kill them for a purpose "terrorism" OR mentally ill. animals dont kill off all they species, so why would humans???

what good things??? killing your beloved jesus, causing global warming, destroying the earth.

good judgment and good things are completely different. osama blows up the towers that is good judgment to him, doesnt mean its a good thing to USA.

yes you do need someone to tell you that. do you think religion was around when dinosaurs were?? and they were told "oh dont kill all of them or you will go to hell" no, its like when your a little kid "dont touch that its hot" you need to be told, then you have the experience and learn from it.

 

[seankane]

with sean's thing on if i need a church to tell me what evil is.. whatever.. it is not i that need to be told, it was the people from thousands of years ago as they did not know what it was. you cant just know something, everything is learnt by experience or being told, that is common sense. eg young children.

couple of other things in the last post sean:

moses DIDNT hand it to god as you said, god handed it to moses. oh but im to stupid to know that you meant to say it the other way cause you didn't say it, sound familiar???

i am giving up on trying to tell you to look up abide and place it in the sentence so ill do it for you: making people buy the book and abide by the shit. = asking people buy the book and to submit to the shit. clearly shit means rules, beliefs whatever but if you what to fuss over that i dont care, cause you and i know what i meant.

-

parting of a 60 + mile wide sea. however, i do believe in most of things happening but being extremely build up that it is impossible. but there is no evidence there was a man named moses, or men being enslaved by egypt(outside of the bible), nor evidence that they crossed the desert for 40 years or however long it was.

i know you are saying "oh there is no proof that it doesnt exist" but the only prove you have that it does is a book from thousands of years ago. that has alot of contradictions and holes in it. which when compared to modern day science looks alot worse.

if you truly believe in god, it will be impossible for anyone to tell you you are wrong, because that is what your god whats you do to: remain loyal.

buff, i cant talk my self out of something i was never in. and im not trying to talk you out of it. im trying give my opinion that the bible is dodge; which is the point of a discussion.

dude, you need to actually READ what i write if yous till want to discuss this...

"you cant just know something, everything is learnt by experience or being told, that is common sense.".
seriously? then what are instincts?

"moses DIDNT hand it to god as you said, god handed it to moses. oh but im to stupid to know that you meant to say it the other way cause you didn't say it, sound familiar???"
show me where i said any of that. i just quoted you're statement which said nothing. all you said was the ten commandments, nothing about them...

"parting of a 60 + mile wide sea."
read the rest of the thread or stop posting in it. i already talked about this and proved how it could happen. stop being lazy and go through older posts.

"men being enslaved by egypt" yes there is evidence of it, stop making shit up.

 

[jake[whc]]

with sean's thing on if i need a church to tell me what evil is.. whatever.. it is not i that need to be told, it was the people from thousands of years ago as they did not know what it was. you cant just know something, everything is learnt by experience or being told, that is common sense. eg young children.

couple of other things in the last post sean:

moses DIDNT hand it to god as you said, god handed it to moses. oh but im to stupid to know that you meant to say it the other way cause you didn't say it, sound familiar???

i am giving up on trying to tell you to look up abide and place it in the sentence so ill do it for you: making people buy the book and abide by the shit. = asking people buy the book and to submit to the shit. clearly shit means rules, beliefs whatever but if you what to fuss over that i dont care, cause you and i know what i meant.

-

parting of a 60 + mile wide sea. however, i do believe in most of things happening but being extremely build up that it is impossible. but there is no evidence there was a man named moses, or men being enslaved by egypt(outside of the bible), nor evidence that they crossed the desert for 40 years or however long it was.

i know you are saying "oh there is no proof that it doesnt exist" but the only prove you have that it does is a book from thousands of years ago. that has alot of contradictions and holes in it. which when compared to modern day science looks alot worse.

if you truly believe in god, it will be impossible for anyone to tell you you are wrong, because that is what your god whats you do to: remain loyal.

buff, i cant talk my self out of something i was never in. and im not trying to talk you out of it. im trying give my opinion that the bible is dodge; which is the point of a discussion.

dude, you need to actually READ what i write if yous till want to discuss this...

"you cant just know something, everything is learnt by experience or being told, that is common sense.".
seriously? then what are instincts?

"moses DIDNT hand it to god as you said, god handed it to moses. oh but im to stupid to know that you meant to say it the other way cause you didn't say it, sound familiar???"
show me where i said any of that. i just quoted you're statement which said nothing. all you said was the ten commandments, nothing about them...

"parting of a 60 + mile wide sea."
read the rest of the thread or stop posting in it. i already talked about this and proved how it could happen. stop being lazy and go through older posts.

"men being enslaved by egypt" yes there is evidence of it, stop making shit up.

im not making shit up,

you need an event for you to pick that instinct up. and in reference to evil instinct has no place. before christianity came people didn't think 'that is evil' they just thought it was wrong.

that is what you said 'handed to god by moses' i said 'handed by god to moses?' i know didn't say anything about them i was correcting your mistake.

history has recorded no evidence of moses and people living for 40 years in the desert, im pretty sure if people were living in the dewert for that long they would of left a large amount of evidence, NONE IS FOUND.

your crossing of the red sea is mistaken for the reed sea where it is greatly smaller, and when in winter it was said that the marsh would dry up and you could walk across it, that is all history has besides the bible.

and there is no evidence of them being enslaved besides the bible tales, if you would give me some evidence you would be giving the Christian world a great gift.

and can you still tell me the moral behind adam and eve????

there is plenty of contradictions in the bible, holes in stories but it wont matter what i say.

seriously, i can see that you are smart and if you truly believe in god, by the looks of that picture you do, no one can change your mind or your god would not except you so there is no point in anyone trying to convince you.

 

[the_SD_local]

Seriously what is even happening right now?

You are all going to hell because God hates us all.

 

[AX3D]

im not making shit up,

history has recorded no evidence of moses and people living for 40 years in the desert, im pretty sure if people were living in the dewert for that long they would of left a large amount of evidence, NONE IS FOUND.

your crossing of the red sea is mistaken for the reed sea where it is greatly smaller, and when in winter it was said that the marsh would dry up and you could walk across it, that is all history has besides the bible.

and can you still tell me the moral behind adam and eve????

there is plenty of contradictions in the bible, holes in stories but it wont matter what i say.

seriously, i can see that you are smart and if you truly believe in god, by the looks of that picture you do, no one can change your mind or your god would not except you so there is no point in anyone trying to convince you.

uhh, you see to be assuming alot of things then

give me evadance, link me to that 'fact'.

no, they have proof of the red sea. go google it and make sure to get a half decent site with a stupid bias

moral behind it, is that god will pwn your noob as if you dont listen to him (lol, idk really)

it wont matter whhat you say? what becasue you get disprooved every time? give us a fact then, and make sure its a fact and he wont be able to disproove it. make sence? lol



not trying to be a dick to you or anything, i dont know the world about christaianity. but yeahh im bored so.

 

[Jordan Jasa]

andrew, I know what you did bastard, damn you and your head admin post editing powers jk please dont ban me

 

[seankane]

Love God & Love Others. That is what the Bible says. Period.

 

[jake[whc]]

ahahahahah

 

[richa-se04w]

stuff reading the bible, all i have to do is read this thread

 

[the_SD_local]

If you want to ignorant, I guess.

 

[Steezeman]

andrew, I know what you did bastard, damn you and your head admin post editing powers jk please dont ban me

I see what you did there.

 

[Jordan Jasa]

andrew, I know what you did bastard, damn you and your head admin post editing powers jk please dont ban me

I see what you did there.

yes, but did you see what Andrew did?

originally he was awesome but then by some powerful miracle he made himself more awesome.

wow i hate explaining things. lolzorz

 

[Steezeman]

Lol, I just wanted to post something without getting into the discussion haha.