[poll] ATHEISM

[Pete Pachota]

so if you guys keep asking "What came before that?" and all that bull, how did god get here then? just poped out of nowhere and made everything cuz he felt like it?

anybody want to answer it? or attempt to

I will explain.

The statement 'there was nothing before big bang' is false and shows how people DO NOT understand the big bang theory. The theory states that the big bang event, which occurred about 15 billion years ago was the BEGINNING of time and existence of everything. Therefore, you can't refer to anything 'before' big bang, whether you mean temporal or logical order. You can't even say that there was nothing before because there was NO 'before' (and I shouldn't even use the word 'was'). The laws of physics are the rules of the world we live in, and every event that occurs, whether it's a meteor impact, boiling water or a single thought by one, happens because of them. Therefore, every event is a part of a logical chain of events that are linked by the laws of physics (even if it's as complex as brain activity). This makes us think that EVERY event has a cause, which is true with only one exception - the big bang. We could take any event, search for it's cause, then for it's cause etc, and by asking endlessly 'why did it happen?' we would trace tche chain of events back in time until we reach the beginning, which would be the big bang. The big bang does not have a cause, because it's pretty much the ultimate cause of everything.

Edit: Now Im not sure if it's actually the answer to your question but I guess that it's a worthy contribution in this thread anyway.

 

[the_SD_local]

so if you guys keep asking "What came before that?" and all that bull, how did god get here then? just poped out of nowhere and made everything cuz he felt like it?

anybody want to answer it? or attempt to

I will explain.

The statement 'there was nothing before big bang' is false and shows how people DO NOT understand the big bang theory. The theory states that the big bang event, which occurred about 15 billion years ago was the BEGINNING of time and existence of everything. Therefore, you can't refer to anything 'before' big bang, whether you mean temporal or logical order. You can't even say that there was nothing before because there was NO 'before' (and I shouldn't even use the word 'was'). The laws of physics are the rules of the world we live in, and every event that occurs, whether it's a meteor impact, boiling water or a single thought by one, happens because of them. Therefore, every event is a part of a logical chain of events that are ]
The answer is yes. God made everything because he felt like it and it started with the Big Bang. As for nothing existing before the Big Bang, well, God did. If it doesn't make sense it is because it is not supposed to and if it defies the laws of physics it is because it is supposed to. There are just some things man is not allowed to know before death no matter how hard we try.

 

[Pete Pachota]

so if you guys keep asking "What came before that?" and all that bull, how did god get here then? just poped out of nowhere and made everything cuz he felt like it?

anybody want to answer it? or attempt to

I will explain.

The statement 'there was nothing before big bang' is false and shows how people DO NOT understand the big bang theory. The theory states that the big bang event, which occurred about 15 billion years ago was the BEGINNING of time and existence of everything. Therefore, you can't refer to anything 'before' big bang, whether you mean temporal or logical order. You can't even say that there was nothing before because there was NO 'before' (and I shouldn't even use the word 'was'). The laws of physics are the rules of the world we live in, and every event that occurs, whether it's a meteor impact, boiling water or a single thought by one, happens because of them. Therefore, every event is a part of a logical chain of events that are ]
The answer is yes. God made everything because he felt like it and it started with the Big Bang. As for nothing existing before the Big Bang, well, God did. If it doesn't make sense it is because it is not supposed to and if it defies the laws of physics it is because it is supposed to. There are just some things man is not allowed to know before death no matter how hard we try.

My post applies only to our universe, three dimensional space with time. Any extradimensional beings (for example 'God', but pretty much anything else we can think of, even though it's really hard to think of anything like that, haha) are free to exist out of our space and time and we will not be able to percept them in any way, unless we like shove a space probe up a black hole or something, haha.

 

[CodyChirichiello]

I think there might have been some people on another page who do not understand that Atheism is NOT a religion.

 

[russian serjey]

WHO MADE SUCH THING AS "TIME"?...

 

[Pete Pachota]

WHO MADE SUCH THING AS "TIME"?...

You can either go believe in your beliefs, or read my post once again and understand. Or possibly both.

 

[conordavidson]

yes to god.

atheism is like taking the easy way out, its much easier to believe in nothing than have faith in something.

On the contrary, I believe God is the easy way out. I see religion as a crutch to fall back on when you have no other way to explain something. Blame it on God and we're happy...right?

 

[ghost24]

WHO MADE SUCH THING AS "TIME"?...

Serjey, everyone in this thread has pretty much explained things, and had proof to back it up. You just keep repeating that God is real and we're all wrong and blahblah but you never have any proof.

 

[the_SD_local]

yes to god.

atheism is like taking the easy way out, its much easier to believe in nothing than have faith in something.

On the contrary, I believe God is the easy way out. I see religion as a crutch to fall back on when you have no other way to explain something. Blame it on God and we're happy...right?

No one is "blaming" God for anything or using him as a "crutch" we are giving credit to the fact that this universe we live in is far to complex for it to have just "happened" which leads people to think about the possibility of a higher power beyond ourselves. God is not an easy way out of anything. Religion is. You guys are having a hard time distinguishing between the two because they are most certainly NOT the same thing.

 

[Grahamk]

my dad tried to explain the big bang to me
something about matter and anti matter
and that 1 + -1 = 0
so 0 = 1 + -1
I don't understand it all
Also I heard that if you add up all the generations in the bible it says the world is 5000 years old or something along those lines

 

[Corey]

THIS THREAD IS A HUGE FAIL.


Some of you donÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¾Ã?¢t even know correct terms for what youÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¾Ã?¢re saying.


Some of you can't even think for yourselves, nor are old enough to.


Develop some life experience, then you can speak logically about this shit.


It is just going to go back and forth, and flip flop, there is no gain in this Ã?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?â?¦Ã¢â?¬Å?discussonÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?â??Ã? argument.

 

[D= its sam!!]

THIS THREAD IS A HUGE FAIL.


Some of you donÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¾Ã?¢t even know correct terms for what youÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¾Ã?¢re saying.


Some of you can't even think for yourselves, nor are old enough to.


Develop some life experience, then you can speak logically about this shit.


It is just going to go back and forth, and flip flop, there is no gain in this Ã?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?â?¦Ã¢â?¬Å?discussionÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?â??Ã? argument.

yay.


next person that makes a thread on religion/beginning of the world, should seriously get band... thers like 131213 threads on this kinda thing.. all that ever happens is the thread gets locked, nothing is solved, every1 in it thinks less of everyone else in the thread..

 

[VillageFox]

watch the science channel.

 

[Nick Morland]

In the beginning tere was something and that something made something which made everything and now we have the world that we live and scoot in. So stop arguing and live life. Everyone has there own view on this topic so you believe what you want to believe and yeh. Also man will most likely never find out how the world started unless the L.H.C. in europe figures something out.

 

[seankane]

whats with everyone bitching about how this is a dumb argument? it's people stating what they believe, no one is arguing. and if you think its a waste of time, then why are you in here reading the thread? no one's forcing you to, just don't click on it.

WHO MADE SUCH THING AS "TIME"?...

people made time to keep track of the sun's movements. time isn't real. our version of time is different from what time would be on the edge of a black hole. but i don't see what any of that has to do with god.

 

[Hep Greg]

who cares about how the big bang and all that sh!t happened? just be happy it did, and that you exist, and live your life.

i never understood why people care so much about this sh!t...

 

[mat]

THIS THREAD IS A HUGE FAIL.


Some of you donÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¾Ã?¢t even know correct terms for what youÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¾Ã?¢re saying.


Some of you can't even think for yourselves, nor are old enough to.


Develop some life experience, then you can speak logically about this shit.


It is just going to go back and forth, and flip flop, there is no gain in this Ã?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?â?¦Ã¢â?¬Å?discussionÃ?Æ?Ã?¢Ã?¢ââ?¬Å¡Ã?¬Ã?â??Ã? argument.

yay.


next person that makes a thread on religion/beginning of the world, should seriously get band... thers like 131213 threads on this kinda thing.. all that ever happens is the thread gets locked, nothing is solved, every1 in it thinks less of everyone else in the thread..

true

i wish more people on this site were mature /intelligent enough to have a legit debate or conversation about this kind of thing

 

[russian serjey]

my dad tried to explain the big bang to me
something about matter and anti matter
and that 1 + -1 = 0
so 0 = 1 + -1
I don't understand it all
Also I heard that if you add up all the generations in the bible it says the world is 5000 years old or something along those lines

yea i heard that too..its like 5-7 thousend years old or something

 

[Eric Magray]

The belief that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything. And then a bunch of everything rearranged itself for no reason into self-replacing bits which then turned into dinosaurs.


Makes no sense.
this proves there is such thing as GOD..

what do people think?

your statement makes no sense.
you think it makes no sense because you dont know why or how it happened.
no one knows everything. we only have enough intelligence and technology to know so much at any given time. whatever god you believe in is STUPID!!!!
everyone is always trying to be "politically correct" but thats bullshit. i really dont care if youre offended that i say its stupid. its stupid because there is scientific evidence that the earth was around for well over 50 billion years. animals evolved from single-celled organisms, not just appeared on earth, which took many millions of years not days. that alone proves the bible wrong.

the bible is a story about a man who no one even has proof existed. and dont even say the bible is proof because i once read this book about the toothfairy and a few years later learned the truth and its time you stop being so ignorant too. the bible wasnt even written for over a hundred years after jesus supposedly died. it was just a story passed down through generations by word of mouth, then finally written in a book in latin. later translated into other languages and translated again and again. and just like whisper down the lane there are many parts of the story that have been twisted and even lost. after all this how could any truth survive? again, another point that the bible is anything but fact. i believe that the bible and story of jesus was just made up because humans are naturally curious and scared of the unknown. so when these people two thousand years ago pondered how or why life began, where sicknesses come from, or why the sun goes up and down, they hypothesized about how this happened. and to them it seemed logical because there was no technology at the time to prove them wrong....were in the 21st century people! we have the technology to know what goes on in the world.

and if you still think "the book" is right then you tell me, where did god come from? and where was he for the holocaust? the great depression? 9/11?????

 

[Eric Magray]

double post because i can!!


to add to what dan was saying, jesus being born on the 25th and the whole crucification thing. its all related to the SUN not the SON.

see, on the 25th of december was the winter solstice (the calendars werent as accurate as they are today), when the sun starts to move back to the northern hemisphere (jesus is born!). the three days jesus is dead represent the pause in the suns movement (the sun stays north for three days before heading back south for the summer solstice). almost all religious characters follow the same timeline.