Religion
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I don't know if it is true or not, but some say that after death human body becomes lighter for 29 grammes. Is that a weight of soul? I don't know, but I believe in existance of human's soul. But not because we are dominating species and we are the only one who can love, it can be prooved scientifically, it is an evolutional process, it is time for our planet to have such advanced creatures that can create religion, art and culture itslf. The human soul is the immortal mind, consciousness, whatever...
Now about the religion itself. I believe that God exists. It can not be prooved or disprooved scientifically, but I see it in every life situation, in every passer-by's sight, everywhere!!!(Maybe because I beleive in it, but anyway) When I do something wrong, the life itself shows me the right way by punishing somehow (not physically, but consciently sometimes; if u haven't understood that, read F.Dostoyevskiy "The Crime and the Punishment", my favourite book from the curiculum)Thaths, by the way, prooves the humans soul existance (we know whats right and whats wrong in contrast to animals (example:black widow kills her "husband" after the coitus) Of course it can be prooved scientifically once again, that it is an evolutional process, even dogs understand that to urinate at home isn't good bla-bla-bla... No! I mean the consience! It is higher than urinating at home, It is higher than something just biological! Just want to beleive it.)
Also I think tha God caused our existance. Nothing happens randomly! Just imagine how small is the possibility of creating the same world: 1.The Universe was Born 12 billion years ago and even though I know the Great Explosion theory, I can not explain the whole process, why it has happened 2. It is 4-dimensional. Other conceptions makes atoms and moleculas very unstable. Especially the 4th dimension... Time... It is a subject of scientific and philosophical discussions and it is very hard to speak about it. At less, without it the Universe could be nothing more than just a dull frame. 3. Solar system and Earth. It is 150 million km far from Sun. Perfect conditions to start the evolution to have an intellectual creature.
Too many coincidences, can't you see that? I have a feeling that it all has been created by Someone (the God) artaficially. But for what? I don't know. Maybe it was terribly boring for God to spend an eternity alone. So he created the universe so, as we see it now. (My thoughts about the eternity is in the "Black Metal thread")
Excuse my English. I mean it is hard to speak on such theme even in Russian so thanks a lot if u have understood me
Now about the religion itself. I believe that God exists. It can not be prooved or disprooved scientifically, but I see it in every life situation, in every passer-by's sight, everywhere!!!(Maybe because I beleive in it, but anyway) When I do something wrong, the life itself shows me the right way by punishing somehow (not physically, but consciently sometimes; if u haven't understood that, read F.Dostoyevskiy "The Crime and the Punishment", my favourite book from the curiculum)Thaths, by the way, prooves the humans soul existance (we know whats right and whats wrong in contrast to animals (example:black widow kills her "husband" after the coitus) Of course it can be prooved scientifically once again, that it is an evolutional process, even dogs understand that to urinate at home isn't good bla-bla-bla... No! I mean the consience! It is higher than urinating at home, It is higher than something just biological! Just want to beleive it.)
Also I think tha God caused our existance. Nothing happens randomly! Just imagine how small is the possibility of creating the same world: 1.The Universe was Born 12 billion years ago and even though I know the Great Explosion theory, I can not explain the whole process, why it has happened 2. It is 4-dimensional. Other conceptions makes atoms and moleculas very unstable. Especially the 4th dimension... Time... It is a subject of scientific and philosophical discussions and it is very hard to speak about it. At less, without it the Universe could be nothing more than just a dull frame. 3. Solar system and Earth. It is 150 million km far from Sun. Perfect conditions to start the evolution to have an intellectual creature.
Too many coincidences, can't you see that? I have a feeling that it all has been created by Someone (the God) artaficially. But for what? I don't know. Maybe it was terribly boring for God to spend an eternity alone. So he created the universe so, as we see it now. (My thoughts about the eternity is in the "Black Metal thread")
Excuse my English. I mean it is hard to speak on such theme even in Russian so thanks a lot if u have understood me
thelordsven
Member
Im a christian although i hate religion(im not saying church is bad or anything i love learning about stuff at church but church and its traditions arnt the most important part not the part that saves you). Its about a relationship with God not about stupid traditions. I believe in it though because everything that the bible says works. my life is sooooo much better now than it was before not easier in anyway but its better knowing that i have a purpose and that God is always there. like jesus i would rather live by example unless someone asks me a question about it im not going to try to prove evolution false or prove all this stuff that could easly not change their minds but living by example and seeing others lives changed is the real prof of it. God has a plan for everyone and i wish everyone else could see that. man i wish it wasnt so hard sometimes but if it was easy we would take it for granted. anyway thats what i believe pretty much
Jordan Jasa
Silver Member
amen brother
Andy Rhode
Member
im christian and scootertian
Pete Pachota
Member
Timur: I don't think that the fact that people can differ good and bad is a proof of the existence of soul. It's just that human's brain is so complex in comparsion to other living beings that there are structures of our mind associated with morality, beliefs, etc, which enable us to override our animal instincts such as the need of food, sex or self-preservation instinct when making decisions in almost every point of our lives. Those structures, I believe are formed during our childhood. That's why totalitarian political systems focused on bringing up the new generation of people with minds twisted in proper way so they could serve the system and not ever think about rebellion. Also some of the perverted people like murderers just haven't been brought up the proper way.
I 100% believe in what you said about the world creation, I also think that God set up big bang precisely enough to create earth and people, even though some scientist say that, although the probability of extistence of such life-friendly world as Earth is very low, the universe is so huge that there may still be millions of planets with such conditions as Earth.
And here's a quote I made up, dunno if Im the first to say something like that, lol:
"The world we live in is better that the world without religion, no matter if God really exists or not."
I 100% believe in what you said about the world creation, I also think that God set up big bang precisely enough to create earth and people, even though some scientist say that, although the probability of extistence of such life-friendly world as Earth is very low, the universe is so huge that there may still be millions of planets with such conditions as Earth.
And here's a quote I made up, dunno if Im the first to say something like that, lol:
"The world we live in is better that the world without religion, no matter if God really exists or not."
I don't know Pete... Even though faith dose a lot of good, it also dose a lot of bad.
Every War (I don't care what war you think of, pick ANY one) can be rooted to money/power or religion.
People get too caught up in what their religion states and what other religions state that they completely contradict them selfs. I know one of the 10 commandments is you should not kill yet you have people all over the world "Killing in the name of god"
There is always two religious groups killing each other and killing innocent people in the process.
I guess what im getting at is, religion causes a lot of problems like war, racism and general conflict. Im am not saying there should be no such thing as religion, im just saying lets look at both sides on the coin here.
Every War (I don't care what war you think of, pick ANY one) can be rooted to money/power or religion.
People get too caught up in what their religion states and what other religions state that they completely contradict them selfs. I know one of the 10 commandments is you should not kill yet you have people all over the world "Killing in the name of god"
There is always two religious groups killing each other and killing innocent people in the process.
I guess what im getting at is, religion causes a lot of problems like war, racism and general conflict. Im am not saying there should be no such thing as religion, im just saying lets look at both sides on the coin here.
thelordsven
Member
very sadly that is true to many wars are started for stupid reasons like that
danielwarwick
Member
I love you. You put exactly what i think into perfect wording.Travis House said:
Jordan Jasa
Silver Member
its exactly religion that causes conflict, it basically comes down to people's opinions being different and people having conflicts about that...and yeah, its stupid that there is wars because of religion, thats not what most religions "god" wants, it just the 5% or whatever of followers that are extremists wanting everyone to follow their religion exactly the same way.
Pete Pachota
Member
It is true that religion might cause conflicts. But another thing is that there is one typical scheme: one man and/or a little group goes crazy about something, then they manage to convince or fool a big number of people and the conflict begins. There are various things to go crazy about which can cause wars: nationalism (World War II), revenge (World War I), greed (too many to list), women (the Troyan War). Religion is just one of these things.
Now if there was no religion, most people would end up being selfish bastards, killing and stealing from each other for their own good. This would lead our civilization nowhere - if there even was any civilization.
Now if there was no religion, most people would end up being selfish bastards, killing and stealing from each other for their own good. This would lead our civilization nowhere - if there even was any civilization.
Pete Pachota said:
I highly disagree with this statement. Morals and values are RARELY thought by the church. My parents never once brought God into the picture when teaching me what was wrong and right. I don't think saying that with out religion there would be total chaos, we can still have morals and no religion, we can still love other people without religion. There are not millions of people just pissed off because they want to kill someone or rob someone but can't because of religio, if they are having this thought and are serious about it, in no way will religion stop them.
eirepro
Steel Member
I go To a nice Catholic school which teaches me nice values and to respect every other persons religious Choices and learning about other religions. Morals are highly thought of in my CATHOLIC school. Thats Religion and morals, right there. Also, I think you should watch the latest episode of South Park as it deals with what the world would be like if EVERYONE were atheist. It doesn't look good.
CaptianCrash44
Member
I believe in science.
I am a follower of christ. I belive that Christ came down, lived among us, died for our sins, and ressurected 3 days later. I belive that the bible is true and that anyone can recive salvation through Jesus by confessing that they are sinners, beliving Jesus died for our sins, and commiting to follow christ throughout thier life. Im not going to answer some of your objections to religion because, well you probably know my reputation on this board and I dont want to get banned. If you have any questions about Jesus or God in general, feel free to pm me. That is all.
cMac said:
To be fair, I don't think South Park is a good indicator of what the would would be like if there was no religion.
And Ryan, saying that is all fine and dandy but you know the bible is only made up stories to set an example of how to live your life... Although some are qutie extreme. For example when god told a man ( Abereham? Forget his name) to kill his first born to prove his #1 priority is god. He was just about to do it when god said wait dont do it, you proved that you would do this for me, I know your devoted to me.
Now, how is it that all all loving all caring all knowing god would put this burdon on a man? I seems like a terrible thing to do and if god is all knowing, he would have know the man was devoted to him.
Another thought guys, whats your take on woman and what do you think about the Vatican's take on woman?
I will not be PMing you, you wont get banned or harassed if you just keep up being decent. Please, explain what your trying to get at here.
God gave us free will but he would guilt trip Abraham into killing his own son?
Thats pretty much saying "yeah you can do whatever you want, but if your devoted to me you will kill your son... Oh by the way, the 10 commandments way you have to be devoted to me, so if you don't your going to hell.....BUT remember its your choice"
God gave us free will but he would guilt trip Abraham into killing his own son?
Thats pretty much saying "yeah you can do whatever you want, but if your devoted to me you will kill your son... Oh by the way, the 10 commandments way you have to be devoted to me, so if you don't your going to hell.....BUT remember its your choice"