The dream has come true! - Heavy Metal Scooter 4

Over engineered neck and it needs to be cut in the back and dropped 10 degrees so its like a razor scooter. MAybe its just me but this thing has way too many bolts and not enough welds, i get pissed keeping up with teh 8 bolts on my pro, i couldnt imagine maintaining that.

I couldnt see that fork setup lasting too long unless its doweled.

Its a extremely nice scoot and the forks are killer, but the neck does not need to be that gnar.
 
Max Hughes said:
Over engineered neck and it needs to be cut in the back and dropped 10 degrees so its like a razor scooter. MAybe its just me but this thing has way too many bolts and not enough welds, i get pissed keeping up with teh 8 bolts on my pro, i couldnt imagine maintaining that.

Ive thought of welding the neck to the deck but I knew that welds wouldn't be enough. I also thought of both welding and bolting, but I wanted to have a changeable neck so I could either easili replace the deck parts if they ever break or try some new neck/headtube solution, like making an aluminum and/or and integrated headset one.
The headtube angle is something of personal preference I guess. Some people like Dylan Kasson bolt their scooters in a special way to achieve an angle like that. I wanted to try that setting. If I don't like it, I can always drill a new hole in the back neck and change it.

Max Hughes said:
I couldnt see that fork setup lasting too long unless its doweled.
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Madis

Super Geek
Staff member
Pete Pachota said:
Dre said:
Pete Pachota said:
Max Hughes said:
I couldnt see that fork setup lasting too long unless its doweled.
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reinforced?

Well, the walls of the forktube are something like 0.8 in, and if you mean the bottom, the plate is welded to the forktube in two places, on top of the plate and on the bottom.

Walls of the forktube: 0.8" = 20,32mm thick? Impossible.
 

the_SD_local

I own SR.
Madis said:
Pete Pachota said:
Dre said:
Pete Pachota said:
Max Hughes said:
I couldnt see that fork setup lasting too long unless its doweled.
?
reinforced?

Well, the walls of the forktube are something like 0.8 in, and if you mean the bottom, the plate is welded to the forktube in two places, on top of the plate and on the bottom.

Walls of the forktube: 0.8" = 20,32mm thick? Impossible.
That is practically solid stock... that tube alone running all the way to the top of the bars probably weighs 3 pounds by itself... ?
 
the_SD_local said:
Madis said:
Pete Pachota said:
Dre said:
Pete Pachota said:
Max Hughes said:
I couldnt see that fork setup lasting too long unless its doweled.
?
reinforced?

Well, the walls of the forktube are something like 0.8 in, and if you mean the bottom, the plate is welded to the forktube in two places, on top of the plate and on the bottom.

Walls of the forktube: 0.8" = 20,32mm thick? Impossible.
That is practically solid stock... that tube alone running all the way to the top of the bars probably weighs 3 pounds by itself... ?

Obvious typo... I wanted to type 0.08.
 
Doweling is a reinforcing method thought up by the folks at PMW Go-ped, Instead of throwing a metal tube on the inside of the fork tube to reinforce it, they use a wooden rod(or dowel) to strengthen the bars with very little wieght gain. Its very effective and nearly unbreakable. Im not a engineer or anything but based off of my experience with gopeds 2mm isnt too much thickness for a fork tube that big, it will either bend or snap just like the un-doweled goped bars do.
 

the_SD_local

I own SR.
Max Hughes said:
Doweling is a reinforcing method thought up by the folks at PMW Go-ped, Instead of throwing a metal tube on the inside of the fork tube to reinforce it, they use a wooden rod(or dowel) to strengthen the bars with very little wieght gain. Its very effective and nearly unbreakable. Im not a engineer or anything but based off of my experience with gopeds 2mm isnt too much thickness for a fork tube that big, it will either bend or snap just like the un-doweled goped bars do.

Reinforcing is such a joke I'm sorry. Why don't companies step up and actually make quality parts from the start so people don't have to waste their time trying to make them better??? If I buy something I want it to perform and I am willing to pay a little more for it. I don't want something that I know isn't that great so I have to figure out how to keep it from breaking on me.
 
the_SD_local said:
Max Hughes said:
Doweling is a reinforcing method thought up by the folks at PMW Go-ped, Instead of throwing a metal tube on the inside of the fork tube to reinforce it, they use a wooden rod(or dowel) to strengthen the bars with very little wieght gain. Its very effective and nearly unbreakable. Im not a engineer or anything but based off of my experience with gopeds 2mm isnt too much thickness for a fork tube that big, it will either bend or snap just like the un-doweled goped bars do.

Reinforcing is such a joke I'm sorry. Why don't companies step up and actually make quality parts from the start so people don't have to waste their time trying to make them better??? If I buy something I want it to perform and I am willing to pay a little more for it. I don't want something that I know isn't that great so I have to figure out how to keep it from breaking on me.
I also apologize if this sounds insulting but, since when did reinforcing become a substandard DIY job? Reinforcing doesnt only apply to a individual's handywork, Goped does it on all of their performance/freestyle scooters......If you go to the site youll see every performance or freestyle model marked with "Reinforced Handlebars" which means it has a solid dowel in the pole.

Ive had 4 competition grade go-peds and they were all doweled from the PMW Go-ped factory.


And to Alex, go-ped didnt invent it but they invented the method of using it towards their own product. Lots of things can be "doweled" like concrete with rie bar for example.
 

the_SD_local

I own SR.
Max Hughes said:
Goped does it on all of their performance/freestyle scooters......If you go to the site youll see every performance or freestyle model marked with "Reinforced Handlebars" which means it has a solid dowel in the pole.
That is just retarded, especially coming from the manufacturer. Using 10-20 thousandths of an inch thicker tubing and the problem is solved. There is a flaw somewhere in their design if they have to shove wooden dowels in everything.
 

P4RK3R

Member
the_SD_local said:
Max Hughes said:
Goped does it on all of their performance/freestyle scooters......If you go to the site youll see every performance or freestyle model marked with "Reinforced Handlebars" which means it has a solid dowel in the pole.
That is just retarded, especially coming from the manufacturer. Using 10-20 thousandths of an inch thicker tubing and the problem is solved. There is a flaw somewhere in their design if they have to shove wooden dowels in everything.
andrew is right... again....
 
Its just for extra precuation dude, Go-ped has been around for 22 years i hardly think the bar setup they have been using for that long is flawed. Even the bars without the dowel are strong as hell, i should know, i jumped my goped on a BMX with unreinforced bars.

They reinforce their pro60 frame, but that doesnt mean the unreinforced version used on the GSR's is flawed. They also reinforce the EPB but that doesnt mean the unreinforced version on the super x-ped sucks.

Also the dowel setup is much lighter that making the tubing thicker to match the performance the dowel gives it.
 
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